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Permanent LinkPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:31 am 
On the odd chance that history repeats itself, and we all know that never happens, not.

On the odd chance that Cointelpro/Stasi succeed, because people are not able to stop this, then moving might be something to look into.

Remember that if you move, you have to have money and means. Lot's of targets have reported moving with little change.

However I am not fully sure if this is correct. I recently saw that this is happening to someone in South Africa. This would suggest to me that all those Nations in these North American, African, South American etc Unions might be affected.

During Cointelpro, some did flee the country. Cuba was one safe destination. They also have their own citizen patrol force, but since the Castro government was not at the time working with the US government I don't know that there was this kind of corporation.

I do know that countries such as the UK, Canada, do not have these types of problems with Cuba, so I don't know if there would be corporation between Cuba and those governments.

Venezuela. That country claims to not be in league with the US, but are they co-opperating with this effort? I don't know. I do know that under the current prez, they also have their own civilian spy force forming, but will it be working with the ones in our countries? Don't know.

So Cuba and Venezuela have a civilian spy force like the one Obama wanted, or will implement in America.

Other places. Iran. Currently they also claim to not be in league with the US. So I don't know if any targets have attempted fleeing there. I am sure there are some targets who might have originated from here, if so, you can tell us, if this place is also sharing information and cooperating with this system. Eg. If someone has fled to Iran, can you tell us if you are still getting the stalking there?

North Korea, also claiming conflict with the US. I don't know how anyone would get into this country, but I am trying to think of places in the world where this might not...

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Permanent LinkPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:24 am 
When I first started to contact websites for aid and assistance one of the first things that these people tried to do when I just joined these forums or emailed these places was they tried to access my personal details. Name, address, etc. What my sensitivity is. etc. They got very little information, but when they knew enough, they tried to use it against me.


Since this time period my recommendation to targets has always been don't give out personal information. If you are already out there great, but if you are new, until you have some idea what we are up against don't do it.

This means if they have a survey asking for your details, don't give. This is another way and might I add better way of giving out your information.

If they ask for an email, provided it does not have your real name attached that might not be too bad, but think about what you are doing. Even emails can be used to track targets, but that is different than willingly providing your details to a third party. Unless you 100% know what the intended goal is.

A survey can collect a lot of personal details about you, personal details that can be used against you. It can also collect information to provide very useful statistical data. We do need this kind of information, but a survey that is asking for too many personal details might not be in your best interest.

If people are asking for the name of your legal representative, don't give it. Because most times it's hard enough to find a decent lawyer, but if you do, and they get the details, you might find that your lawyer suddenly is not on your side after awhile. It's important to protect our privacy.

If someone or some site is asking you for these details, ask yourself why.

This recently came to my attention and though I think it should be pretty obvious to targets why this might not be a good idea, especially if you are new.

When targets email in. I tell them to not give out their details. I don't need to know it to give them helpful...

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Permanent LinkPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:23 am 
I have got a theory so let's put it to the test.

This should be obvious, but I am sure it will not be.
Part of what Jiverly Wong said is that people were spreading rumours about him, specifically the cops. After his death there were stories printed about him that he was crack/cocaine drug addicted loser, I have yet to find anything to say that this was true. there was also this story that said he was a failed loser who planned to rob a bank. Where did these rumour come from? From the general population? I don't think so. The rumour about him wanting to rob a bank was given to the police by an informant. This rumour came from an informant, an informant who feed the rumour to the cops, so if the cops are not spreading rumours about him, how did this rumour find it's way into the papers? Aren't these informant tips suppose to be secret? Yet after his death, the man who says that the cops were spreading rumours about him, has a story printed saying he was addicted to cocaine, and had planned to rob a bank. Seems like even in death, he might be proving himself correct.

This was a tip from 1999, 10 years ago, so how did it have this long a shelf life if nothing ever came of it? How did it find it's way into several articles?

Also the rumours about him having a girlfriend, wife, I have yet to have this stuff fully confirmed, but based on the article below, I would say that there was rumour floating around about him, a rumour that came from an informant years ago, but would make it's way into the papers after his death? Sounds to me like this rumour might have been floating around, and if so, this rumour could only have come from the cops, who the informant gave the tip to, and this would prove a part of what Jiverly Wong was saying.

Also he was laid off from his job, but any paper could make that mistake. Ofcourse if they were taking time to check the story, and not just print rumour and hearsay that would paint the guy as a nut job, they also might have noticed this...

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Permanent LinkPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:07 pm 
Brighting.

Remember how we were told that this was used for gaslighting targets at night? Well I think this might not be the case. I recently had an opportunity to be exposed to this phenomenon and I have a few observations.

I don't get exposed to this phenomenon too much so, it's been very difficult observe it properly and to do a proper assessment. Well recently they were circling me, I use this term, because they remind me of sharks, but they don't really circle, so much as drive up the street and flash the high beams at you a few times.

Now in the past when I have been exposed to this, it's been one car, I usually sneer at them and go on my way, but recently I had a few cars in a row do it, and I realised, I don't think it's gaslighting or it's not just gaslighting alone.

After a few of this, I realised that they were waiting for something so I flashed them the open communications and on observation signals. (Yeah I emotionally showered after.) I don't do use the signals too often, in early research when I was learning what they were, I used them to confirm that I was correct, and then most times they are put away, till I have to be around the informants for long periods of time, or if I have to do field testing to confirm things or test things out.

Anyways, after this, the circling stopped. So think about it. During the day, the foot patrols signal to the people in the cars, right, well at night it's dark, so you are a snitch in your car, you see someone walking, you want to know if it's one of yours, so you flash the beams at them, and if they are, they should signal back the appropriate signals right?

Think about those old spy movies, and they flash the highbeams, and then the person responses by lighting a cigarette or something.

Now I have not had any real time to field test this, and they don't use brighting on me enough, so it could be awhile before I get to confirm this, but if any other targets are out there and they get this, then you might...

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Permanent LinkPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:38 am 
Gang Stalking FOIA.


Is this specific FOIA request a ploy by the FBI to discredit targets and profile them as schizophrenic? Will this letter place targets on a watch list? Is it meant to be disinformation for targets? Is this letter actually helpful in anyway to targets?


http://asianvictimsassociation.ning.com ... ia-request


http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-sta ... ia-request


I came across this letter back in December. At the time I had major concerns about it. I posted those concerns as comments, so that if the user saw the letter they would at least think before they emailed or mailed off a document that could potentially send them to a mental institution or get them placed on a watch list.


Here is a portion of the FOIA request, and for those more familiar with good FOIA request, you can let me know what you think.


Quote:
12. Any FBI records indicating coercion or bribery being used by gang stalking groups to force or bribe neighbors, local businesses and others in the community of a targeted individual to participate in the gang stalking methods/activities directed against one or more targeted individuals within a community.



13. Any FBI records indicating the motives behind the stalking of individuals such as personal vendettas, family vendettas, whistle-blowing (corporate and government), employment disputes/lawsuits, political views, sexual orientation, interracial relationships, gay and lesbian relationships, HIV status, business disputes, marital disputes, monetary disputes, and any other similar motives for gang stalking.



14. Any FBI records indicating the funding of gang stalking groups including, but not limited to, narcotic and other racketeering funds, corporate funds, local business...


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