PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
When I lived in Cambridge, I watched a student driver waiting to turn left at a major intersection, having to wait until the oncoming traffic used up all the yellow, AND then having his East Indian driving instructor instruct him to make his left turn on the red light.
That seems to be an acceptable means of making a left turn in pretty much every congested city I've ever been to. Get in the left turn lane, pull out into the intersection, wait for the oncoming traffic to stop, complete your left turn.
And in any normal circumstance I'd whole-heartedly agree with you. But these guys were like the 4th of 5th car in the line-up to make that turn. The light was full on red before they even got to the crosswalk.