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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:19 am
 


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Not so fast: Alberta considers measures to curb excessive speeding on highways

EDMONTON - Alberta will consider giving police the authority to immediately seize the vehicles of people caught driving at extreme speeds as one way to reduce highway deaths and injuries.

Transportation Minister Ric McIver said speeding is rampant in the province and noted that police recently nabbed two pickup trucks roaring down the dangerous highway between Edmonton and Fort McMurray at 180 km/h.

"I think it is worth looking at. I think it is worth it for me hearing out Albertans' opinions on this to see if they would support it," McIver said. "I think the public would support taking those vehicles right away."

In 2009, Alberta's police chiefs asked the province's solicitor general to allow on-the-spot seizure of vehicles belonging to drivers caught speeding more than 50 km/h over the limit, but the government turned them down.

At the time the chiefs wrote that police were continually nabbing people for excessive speeding and the change was needed in the interest of public safety.

A similar policy brought in by British Columbia in 2010 for people caught driving more than 40 km/h over the speed limit has resulted in 10,387 vehicles being seized and impounded for a minimum of seven days.

Within one year, the number of fatal and injury-related crashes related to speeding was cut in half to 105 compared to the previous five-year average, according to the B.C. Ministry of Justice.

"Prior to the introduction of these tougher penalties, B.C. had been experiencing an upward trend in the number of speed-related fatalities," Amy Lapsley, a Justice Ministry spokeswoman wrote in an email from Victoria.

"Research shows that impoundments work to change behaviours and we expect the recent changes will be a deterrent for dangerous drivers."

McIver said the government hasn't made any decisions yet, buy it only makes sense to review B.C.'s numbers to see if such a policy would work in Alberta.

Gauging public opinion before making such a change would be key, he added.

"I am willing to make it a point to research the experience that B.C. has and try to evaluate with my staff and with the opinion of Albertans to see if it would fit in with the Alberta context."

Police issued more than 3,900 speeding tickets in the province during the recent May long weekend alone.

Officers have also issued more than 500 speeding tickets on Highway 63, the only primary road between Edmonton and the oilsands region, since a fiery collision April 27 killed seven people.

McIver said the challenge facing the government is to find measures that strike a balance between dealing with all-out reckless drivers and those who are caught going 10 or 20 kilometres over the speed limit.

Under Alberta's current traffic laws, speeders who drive more than 50 kilometres over the limit are fined, given six demerit points and have to make a court appearance.

"What we need to do is make sure if we were to change the law that it is something that would catch people like that, but not unduly punish people who are not as reckless."

McIver is in charge of a government review that is looking into how to improve safety on Highway 63. As part of that review, McIver said he is prepared to consider just about anything to achieve that goal.

Other ideas include working with the energy industry and organizations such as the Alberta Motor Association to teach driver safety to workers at oilsands job sites.

Using photo radar units on Highway 63 to get drivers to slow down is another option, but the benefits of such a move would have to be weighed carefully, McIver said.

"Right now it is certainly the government's policy not to do photo radar on provincial highways and without due consideration I don't intend to change that policy," he said.

"But in the case of Highway 63, I consider everything on the table, even things that I find uncomfortable. We certainly haven't made any decisions to do that, but we are determined to make it a place where people can travel to and fro and get home safely."

McIver said there is a "strong possibility" his ministry will make some recommendations to Premier Alison Redford on improving highway safety enforcement before the end of June.


http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/fas ... story.html


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We had two Italian sports cars seized outright recently for dangerous driving. The problem was that the owners owed money to the bank on those cars, and the govt paid off those loans from the proceeds of the sale. Doesn't seem right to me - if the owner had paid his off, he takes a much larger financial hit than the one who carries debt on the car? Also, most of those cars are leased - what do they do in that case?

(On a side note, I got an unjust parking ticket on a leased car, and before I could dispute it, the leasing company paid it and then tried to bill me for it. They had to back down once I made my case that the ticket was not justified.)


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:22 am
 


What a great solution to the problem. Instead of spending money on the appropriate infrastructure for the traffic, AB government decides it's a great way to deflect the cause and generate some revenue. Brilliant! :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:35 am
 


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What a great solution to the problem. Instead of spending money on the appropriate infrastructure for the traffic, AB government decides it's a great way to deflect the cause and generate some revenue. Brilliant! :roll:


A lot of the problem with 63 isn't the infrastructure - it's the idiots driving it. I've been doing 120 on that road (so I didn't hold up traffic) and been passed by a guy doing at least 140, and HE was passed on the shoulder by someone doing at least 160. 3 wide on a 2 lane highway.

And there are many other highways in Alberta. Can't tell you how many times I've been completely smoked by a German or Italian sports car flying down Highway 2. I heard one guy saying it was cheaper and faster to speed and get a huge ticket, than to pay to fly to Calgary.


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There will always be morons who vastly exceed the limits of any infrastructure we build. In my youth I was one of those morons, but never got caught for it. There should be consequences for them, and losing your car seems like a good one.


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Without a doubt there will always be idiot driving like that. From what I know of the highway, the volume of traffic and the type of traffic would indicate there should be twining or many miles of passing lanes.


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FWIW, the 50kph+ over the limit seizure of vehicles has worked in Ontario to change the perception and behaviour of many drivers.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:49 am
 


I'm all for this. We have it here in Ontario and I have no sympathy for those douchebags getting nailed going 180k down the DVP. There are lots of reasons why people deliberately or inadvertently go 15-20k above the limit. But when you're doing 50k+ above the limit, which is what this law would apply to, you know what you're doing and you deserve the punishment you get. I would go even further and make these turds watch at the scrapyard while their prized posession (or their daddy's prized possession, as if often the case) gets crushed into a tiny cube.


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FWIW, the 50kph+ over the limit seizure of vehicles has worked in Ontario to change the perception and behaviour of many drivers.

No it didn't. People continue to speed in excess. The law was passed under the guise of racing, we already had laws that enforced speed with incremental fines attached. How many have been charged with racing since it's inception?


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Without a doubt there will always be idiot driving like that. From what I know of the highway, the volume of traffic and the type of traffic would indicate there should be twining or many miles of passing lanes.


The red line shows the route all these wide loads take to FM. It's all the same standard 2 lane road with wide shoulders.

There's no other problem areas on it.

The highway that goes west from Sylvan Lake to Rocky Mountain House actually has about 500 more vehicles a day including logging and oil patch trucks, pretty well problem free, same standard of highway.

I blame the people trying to get out of that god forsaken country for the fatalities.


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I blame the people trying to get out of that god forsaken country for the fatalities.

I would agree! Professional drivers vs. Amateur drivers?


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Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

I blame the people trying to get out of that god forsaken country for the fatalities.

I would agree! Professional drivers vs. Amateur drivers?


Depends on the day of the week too. Thursdays, it's the people leaving Fort Mac; Sundays it's the same people going back. Other days, the trafic is pretty good.


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OnTheIce OnTheIce:
FWIW, the 50kph+ over the limit seizure of vehicles has worked in Ontario to change the perception and behaviour of many drivers.

No it didn't. People continue to speed in excess. The law was passed under the guise of racing, we already had laws that enforced speed with incremental fines attached. How many have been charged with racing since it's inception?


It's not racing, it's called "Stunt Driving" and it includes (in addition to a couple of other things) any instance where a driver exceeds the posted limit by 50kph or more - regardless of whether they are racing another individual. The penalty is the highest echelon of the incremental speeding penalites.


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What a great solution to the problem. Instead of spending money on the appropriate infrastructure for the traffic, AB government decides it's a great way to deflect the cause and generate some revenue. Brilliant! :roll:


A lot of the problem with 63 isn't the infrastructure - it's the idiots driving it. I've been doing 120 on that road (so I didn't hold up traffic) and been passed by a guy doing at least 140, and HE was passed on the shoulder by someone doing at least 160. 3 wide on a 2 lane highway.

And there are many other highways in Alberta. Can't tell you how many times I've been completely smoked by a German or Italian sports car flying down Highway 2. I heard one guy saying it was cheaper and faster to speed and get a huge ticket, than to pay to fly to Calgary.


It's a combination of the two I think.

The infrastructure is limited when industry ships some giant piece of equipment north - which slows everyone down and makes people impatient. But people need to slow down too - just this weekend two drivers were caught doing 180 in 100 zone! 8O

For the record, the government plans on twinning the whole thing, but gradually over the course of the next decade or two, to spread out costs. Given that the Wildrose's solution is "make industry pay for it", I doubt the PCs can get away with fast-tracking the whole thing during their current term. Odds are that they'll pick up the pace, but it will still take a long time to complete the entire highway.


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It's not racing, it's called "Stunt Driving" and it includes (in addition to a couple of other things) any instance where a driver exceeds the posted limit by 50kph or more - regardless of whether they are racing another individual. The penalty is the highest echelon of the incremental speeding penalites.

The law was brought in to stop street racing. They already had charges such as dangerous driving and speeding. It has not done it's job and stopped street racing, nor has it stopped everyone from excessive speed. It was a new cool-aid law designed to make you think we are all safer because of the provincial govt. We are no safer than we were before. You don't hear of every person who is charged with dangerous driving nor do you hear about people speeding, yet they are quite proud of announcing the "stunt" driving to make you feel safe. You're suppose to thank them too. The 50 over is a very small detail in the law yet that is all you hear about.
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/e ... 0455_e.htm


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