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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:55 am
 


andyt wrote:
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What do you mean condone it? You have no choice but to suck it up, since there's no money in it for anybody. Again, unless you want the govt to get into the cell business.

When you have a huge landmass, and so little people, you have to. They can make sure we have power too, can't they?
And if you can't make sure people have cell service on the road (the highway YOU built), you might as well make sure, that when something happens, there is a way to contact 9-11, by putting up phones that automatically connect you to the nearest EMT station or 9-11 operator or what have you, every 500 meters.

Hell, even in dense populated Holland, it is like that.


Well, this sure ain't Holland, as you've likely found out. Be sure to vote left next time, and even then, doubt if this is on the radar as a priority for the NDP - provincial or federal.

Let me rephrase. Dense populated EUROPE.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:56 am
 


Well this ain't no freaking socialist Europe either. We don't cotton to no statism here.


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You're not missing anything there. Just part of living in a small town - your choice. What can I say.

Ah, I see. If I would have been born in Canada, went to another continent on holidays and saw how things are done there, and came back with something that might be a GREAT idea, it would have been fine, but since I was not born in Canada, I should shut the fuck up and accept it all?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:59 am
 


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Well this ain't no freaking socialist Europe either. We don't cotton to no statism here.

Ohhhhhh, "socialist Europe"!! You make it sound like an insult (even if it were true)!

God, you are so dumb.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:15 pm
 


Oh, Brenda. What happened to your humor. There's a lot of things that I think the govt should do. Wacky Bennett proved it when he was premier for 30 years, and he was no socialist. But cells would probably be lower down on the list than other things.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:25 pm
 


My point is not even cells anymore. I don't necessarily care if I have cell service on the highway. My point is, and has been since I visited here the first time, that when something happens while on the road, there is no way you yourself can get help.
It is seriously surprising to me that just BECAUSE this country is massive, and people do travel the roads, remote roads, there is nothing they can do when they need help, for what ever reason, just because when the roads were built and maintained, no one came up with that brilliant idea of putting SOME kind of way to get help up.
When you can build a road, you can build that too.

It is a serious concern to me. There are many people going off the roads here, and with no cell service or ability to get to a phone quickly, it can easily be too late.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:55 pm
 


Well that's a good point. We thought we were doing pretty good just building the roads. And cells weren't even thought of then.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:29 pm
 


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Sorry to toss a grenade into this, but maybe it is worth taking a look at the US or maybe Europe or Japan for some ideas on how to promote competition in the cell industry.

Here's the US coverage map:

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Here's Europe:

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And then there's Canada:

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Canada still has analog coverage! Analog was decertified in the USA around 2007 or so and it was decertified in Europe around 2002.

I don't know about Europe, but in the USA we've got multiple layers of coverage in most areas and you're hard put to find a place anymore where you can't get a signal of some kind.

Here in Sacramento I can get on Interstate 80 and drive to New York City and have 4G the entire distance.

Why the same thing can't be done up your way escapes me. Frankly, I'm surprised to see you folks behind us on this. I would have expected you to be well ahead of us in this kind of thing.


Comparing Canada and Europe or Canada and the US is like comparing apples and oranges. We have low population (both density and overall numbers) and a huge landmass to cover, while both the US and Europe have higher population (again, both density and total population).

If you want to accurately compare Canada to someone, try Russia or Australia.

FYI, the coverage in some of the northern states like Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas isn't much better than it is in much of Canada - ever wonder why? Oh yeah, low population numbers and large spaces to cover. Cellular infrastructure is expensive and if there aren't enough people to use it (and pay for it), private companies won't build it.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:39 pm
 


Well, you should be outraged, outraged I tell you. I think Brenda is going to write her MP.


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I wonder if Alberta's coverage has anything to do with the extensive fibre optic / trunk line infrastructure?

Here is a pic of fibre optic and cell coverage from Telus. (Telus does not own the FO),

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:01 pm
 


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FYI, the coverage in some of the northern states like Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas isn't much better than it is in much of Canada - ever wonder why?


Because, in Wyoming there are only a few cell towers in the national parks and on the Royal family's ranch. Other than that cell coverage is pretty damned awesome in Wyoming. Ditto that for the Dakotas and Montana, too.

Pretty much the only places in the USA with poor coverage are on Federal land or on large private ranches like the Royal mobs' place in Wyoming.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:01 pm
 


Brenda wrote:
Let me rephrase. Dense populated EUROPE.


Europeans are pretty dense? I agree. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:53 pm
 


peck420 wrote:
I wonder if Alberta's coverage has anything to do with the extensive fibre optic / trunk line infrastructure?

Here is a pic of fibre optic and cell coverage from Telus. (Telus does not own the FO),


100%, yes. The Fiber is owned by Supernet.

Fort Mac didn't get digital coverage until those two trunks (on the map) were run in the mid 90's.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:33 pm
 


I still have serious issue with Axia (SuperNet) getting ownership of the FO that was paid for by Albertans.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:12 pm
 


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I still have serious issue with Axia (SuperNet) getting ownership of the FO that was paid for by Albertans.

:evil:


And don't get me started on AGT + EdTel = Telus.


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