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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:28 pm
 


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Every retailer faces specific challenges for their workers. It doesn't take a special skill set to ask someone for ID....

But you probably know how easy it is to buy cigarettes for example without getting carded - or even get served alcohol at a bar - because the min wage teenager/immigrant/slob behind the counter just doesn't care. Even if he gets caught and gets fired, he'll just go work at the place across the street.

I've never been able to buy booze without ID. Buying booze underage is hard. And taking that extra step to call the other LCBO stores and warn them (or calling the cops when the drunk customer drives off in a car) is certainly dependent on the personal initiative of the clerk. Also, most LCBO employees are older adults- they're not the same as the teenage cashiers who work at the kwiki-mart, its a different labour pool.


But you're acting like asking people for ID and looking at people to determine their age is an important skill worth more money. It's not. It's no more of a specific skill than running a cash, helping customers and controlling gas pumps at a gas stations.


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So there's a place where an ordinary Joe can make a good buck - so what.

But management is top-heavy and highly paid, and when it comes to cost-cutting measures it's always the little guy that's supposed to take it in the neck.


I don't think any of us are suggesting a reduction in the salaries. It's the point that they have more than their private sector counterparts and looking for more.

Being among the top earners in the retails sector for both full and part-time workers, it seems a little greedy to step up to the trough and demand more.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:39 pm
 


It's not a technical skill, but you need someone who is mature and dedicated enough that they will do it consistently, and you're not going to get that at min wage.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:40 pm
 


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So there's a place where an ordinary Joe can make a good buck - so what.

But management is top-heavy and highly paid, and when it comes to cost-cutting measures it's always the little guy that's supposed to take it in the neck.


I don't think any of us are suggesting a reduction in the salaries. It's the point that they have more than their private sector counterparts and looking for more.

Being among the top earners in the retails sector for both full and part-time workers, it seems a little greedy to step up to the trough and demand more.


That's what unions do. Time for the employer to step up and say no.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:42 pm
 


They're not demanding more, they just don't want their current wage to decrease with infation


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:47 pm
 


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You think $26k a year is "bloated and overpaid"?


For a part-time worker...HELL YES!

This is part-time, low skill labour. It's not even close to what comparable retailers pay their staff.


It depends on what quality you want. I've found one often overlooked element of pay is that you get the quality of labor you pay for. Frankly you pay people to care. If we want quality maybe that wage really isn't too high.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:34 pm
 


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The per-employee profit at the LCBO amounts to more than $200,000 per employee (60& of whom are earning $25k). And remember these aren't just 7-11 clerks here, these are people we expect to enforce drinking laws, they have a number of responsibilities like not selling to drunks, minors, reporting drunk drivers, notifying other stores when they turn away customers, etc.
Event security has to do that plus a laundry list more, plus more dangerous, and gets paid 2-3 dollars an hour less. So yeah, they make too much.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:27 pm
 


OnTheIce wrote:
I don't think any of us are suggesting a reduction in the salaries. It's the point that they have more than their private sector counterparts and looking for more.

Being among the top earners in the retails sector for both full and part-time workers, it seems a little greedy to step up to the trough and demand more.


Once, just once, I'd like to see management take the hit when it's time to cut or control costs.

We've got an example here of people who are being paid well for what they do (though most of them only part-time, which is another problem), in a government-run business that makes lots of money, and the first impulse seems to be to tear them down.

Fer Crissakes, can't there be some good-paying jobs for ordinary folk without people snapping at their heels? PDT_Armataz_01_19


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:30 pm
 


We seem to have a communist sympathizer in our midst!


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We seem to have a communist sympathizer in our midst!


Hell no, I'm a capitalist, but not a head-over-heels capitalist. I believe in a fair distribution of earnings.


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For a part-time worker...HELL YES!

This is part-time, low skill labour. It's not even close to what comparable retailers pay their staff.

It depends on what quality you want. I've found one often overlooked element of pay is that you get the quality of labor you pay for. Frankly you pay people to care. If we want quality maybe that wage really isn't too high.

"SLOW DOWN! A shitty day's work for a shitty day's pay!"


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:45 pm
 


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They're not demanding more, they just don't want their current wage to decrease with infation


Sure they are:

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OPSEU says the key issues include boosting part-time wages and upgrades to health and safety standards.


Just because their wage doesn't increase with inflation, doesn't make it a decrease.


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We seem to have a communist sympathizer in our midst!


Hell no, I'm a capitalist, but not a head-over-heels capitalist. I believe in a fair distribution of earnings.

Oh come on, I promise we wash and the bong water was replaced at least a couple days ago


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:49 pm
 


Jonny_C wrote:

Once, just once, I'd like to see management take the hit when it's time to cut or control costs.

We've got an example here of people who are being paid well for what they do (though most of them only part-time, which is another problem), in a government-run business that makes lots of money, and the first impulse seems to be to tear them down.

Fer Crissakes, can't there be some good-paying jobs for ordinary folk without people snapping at their heels? PDT_Armataz_01_19


To be fair, you don't know what's going on at management level and if there's been any cuts or not.

I wouldn't call trying to negotiate a fair deal based on the current economic climate in our Province a 'tearing down'. It's negotiating with reality in mind and looking to work with a bunch of people who are likely the highest paid in their field.

The LCBO needs to be privatized.





PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:52 pm
 


andyt wrote:
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Starting wage of $14.94/hour to stock shelves isn't normal.


It should be.



Why? 12 bucks an hour would be more than fair.

Thank god Ralph killed the ALCB 20 years ago. What a pain in the ass that was. They would make you line up out the door like a bunch of dogs with their limited union hours and bloated wages.


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