[Reverend Blair]

I've heard of this agreement before. I'm glad the NDP see it as enough of an issue that it made their platform.

[Milton]

This is another reason not to trust the Liberals, can you imagine the mentallity necessary to pass something like that into law?

[Liberal_Free]

I must be missing something. <br />The wording I have from the press release says <br />"The new Canada-U.S. Planning Group will coordinate plans to permit U.S. soldiers to cross into Canada and offer assistance during a national crisis. Canadian soldiers would also be available to the U.S. if needed. <br />U.S. troops would be under the control of the Canadian military when they entered our territory; the reverse would be true if our troops were deployed south of the border." <br />I have absolutely no love for the Liberals but is there something here seen by the NDP that I don't see? <br />With our lack of resources in the military I would think that seconding U.S. military resources under Canadian control would be something of a plus in the case of an emergency beyond the capabilities of our forces to handle?? Is there a great fear that once the U.S. forces are on our soil they will take over our country? <br />Heck if thats what they wanted they could have done it a long time ago. <br /> <br /> <br />

[whelan costen]

This is from the NDP website and note this paragraph:

<i>Serving notice that agreements permitting US soldiers to enter Canada automatically in times of emergency are cancelled and changed to requiring the express permission of Parliament. </i>

Jack Layton and Canada’s NDP will protect Canadian sovereignty by:

Ensuring Parliament votes before committing troops overseas and by comparing all military options with their compliance to international law and availability of peaceful alternatives.

Ensuring that if a decision is made not to enter into war, Canadian Armed Forces personnel do not serve in or command other nations’ militaries, as is the case in the Iraq War.

Placing a priority on peacekeeping and peacemaking operations conducted under UN auspices.

Serving notice to renegotiate NAFTA to remove Chapter 11 to protect Canada’s mixed economy, in which public enterprises and public services play a vital role, and by working with progressive legislators in other countries toward new trade agreements that are not corporate-driven.

Working to strengthen the United Nations and regional security bodies such as the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), as an alternative to the US-dominated bodies of NATO and NORAD, particularly in light of NATO’s refusal to renounce the first use of nuclear weapons and the likely location of Star Wars-NMD coordination at NORAD headquarters.

Serving notice that agreements permitting US soldiers to enter Canada automatically in times of emergency are cancelled and changed to requiring the express permission of Parliament.

Creating a new agency to promote fair elections and democratic processes among emerging democracies.

<b>This tells me they are serious and that much is already in place that threatens our soveriegnty</b>

[Liberal_Free]

Lets see if I understand this correctly. Under the current agreement, if the Canadian military sees that a situation on Canadian soil is evolving beyond their ability to control, and that there could be severe or catastrophic loss of life, they could call in the U.S. cavalry (under Canadian command) to the rescue. <br /> <br />Under the NDP proposal, if the same situation was occurring, the Canadian Parliament would have to be called into session to approve the U.S. cavalry to come in (under Canadian command) to the rescue. <br /> <br />While that appears to be the case in the NDP proposal, I strongly doubt that in reality that the the Canadian and U.S military would wait for the Canadian Parliament to be called into session. The Canadian Military would call the Prime Minister and advise him or her of the situation, the Prime Minister would call the leader(s) of the opposition and you would see U.S. military on Canadian soil forthwith. <br /> <br />Why not accept the reality and negotiate the appropriate and coordinated military responses beforehand?

[KevinGagnon]

Liberal-Free, <br /> <br />You look at things narrowly. This step is just one step to complete intergration. Make Canadians get use to that and sneak more under them and before we know it we have complete integration of our military. This is a Liberal path which is taking the long route. The Conservatives however, would take no short cuts and just implement a complete integration. You may dispute that, but you probably would also not oppose it. <br /> <br />Kevin

[whelan costen]

The way I read this, the U.S. can decide what is an emergency, that could mean the Canadian people have risen up to stand for certain freedoms,and the U.S. military could intervene. So 'emergency' is the word, and if it was a true emergency, let's say invasion I think parliament would act quickly if that was the concern. But we need to be in control of when foreign troops land on our soil, not another government.

[Milton]

I agree with you Whelan.

[Stymiest]

I don't know about you people but your conspiracy theories sound like something out of the outer limits <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> <br /> <br />

[Milton]

You are right, you don't know about us, maybe you should stop watching so many fiction shows and find out what is going on around here.

[Stymiest]

[QUOTE BY= Milton] You are right, you don't know about us, maybe you should stop watching so many fiction shows and find out what is going on around here.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />fiction shows you people seem to be the ones who are living in the world of fiction. You feel oh so comfortable to discuss issues you have no idea about such as Sovereignty, the armed forces etc from your own little homes when you have absolutely no idea how the real world works. Keep watching fahrenheit 9/11 and living in your little ideologue world moron

[Jordan Bell]

I don't see what your complaining about. If anything I am happy that we can rely on the Us to come help us in time of need. Seeing how the Canadian Army is deminishing as we speak we need all the help we can get, especially in a crisis. With Americans on our side we are much better off. Im not saying we should totally rely on them because we wouldnt have to if the Government would pump more money into the military funding. I totaly agree with stymiest...mabey instead of living in a box you should get out into the open and realize that the Americans are not going to invade us; they are just there when we are in a time of need. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'>

[whelan costen]

Jordan and Stymiest, you are fairly new to the site and perhaps you think you know the posters here, but from your comments you clearly don't. Most posters are well informed just because they don't agreee with others does not make them idiots or morons or other words used in your posts. <br /> <br />The idea that the Americans would never invade Canada is a bit naive, there is an entire document which is their invasion plan, it is posted here previously, just not sure of the link at the moment. We must stand up for Canada and it is unfortunate that Canadians have become complacent and allowed our politicians to lull us into a false sense of security. Many decisions regarding our military were not made public and so we had no way of knowing what they were doing. <br /> <br />We need to speak out now, before it is too late, we are a country dedicated to peace and peace does not come by threatening others. We need Canadian politicians to stop turning a blind eye to what goes on in the world, and stop being a lap dog for an American agenda. <br /> <br />Also please read the posts here with an open mind, we try to debate and discuss, not berate others who don't agree. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that is what freedom of speech is all about, we can learn from each other as long as we keep an open mind and also people here you better if you aren't insulting. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

[Stymiest]

I never said one such thing about your views oh and by the way that document is pre WWII and was made in the 1920s hardly valid today wouldn't you imagine <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'>

[Stymiest]

[QUOTE BY= whelan costen] Jordan and Stymiest, you are fairly new to the site and perhaps you think you know the posters here, but from your comments you clearly don't. Most posters are well informed just because they don't agreee with others does not make them idiots or morons or other words used in your posts. <br /> <br />The idea that the Americans would never invade Canada is a bit naive, there is an entire document which is their invasion plan, it is posted here previously, just not sure of the link at the moment. We must stand up for Canada and it is unfortunate that Canadians have become complacent and allowed our politicians to lull us into a false sense of security. Many decisions regarding our military were not made public and so we had no way of knowing what they were doing. <br /> <br />We need to speak out now, before it is too late, we are a country dedicated to peace and peace does not come by threatening others. We need Canadian politicians to stop turning a blind eye to what goes on in the world, and stop being a lap dog for an American agenda. <br /> <br />Also please read the posts here with an open mind, we try to debate and discuss, not berate others who don't agree. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that is what freedom of speech is all about, we can learn from each other as long as we keep an open mind and also people here you better if you aren't insulting. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Actually I haven't really seen any debate I'll I have seen is a bunch of leftists patting eahc other on the back because they formulated some political conspiracy theory <br /> <br />I came here to throw out topics on the table mainly too post a seperate point of view about another issue and I am liking what I ams eeing so far. You people are responding with some clear and thought out ideas. I am mostly a shit disturber as you see and I will attack people from time to time but always know that i just want to know what the other side thinsk about something. <br /> <br />