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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:02 pm
 


This is not my story. I saw it on another board and just thought it should be shared. Pretty crazy stuff if you ask me. I'm in the USA, I think I should be careful as a Canadian living here...

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America: Land of the Free*
*void where prohibited, certain restrictions apply.

I was born in Germany in 1959. In 1963 (age 3), I immigrated to the US with my parents. I've lived in the US with a Green Card since then.

In June of 1998, I was pulled over for expired tags. Since I had traffic warrants, I was taken downtown and booked, where the police found a roach in my cigarette pack.

I made bail, went to court, pled guilty, and paid my fine.

So far, so good. No big whoop, right?


My nightmare started on Dec 31, 1998 - that's right, New Year`s Eve! - when agents from the Border Patrol came to my house and informed me that my misdemeanor pot possesion, along with a possesion of LSD (from 1983!!!) made me an "aggravated felon", and a "drug trafficker" under the Immigration Reform Act of 1996; thus eligible for deportation. They hancuffed me in front of my wife, and took me away in an unmarked vehicle.

Needless to say, I was very confused. Apparently, even though I was facing no criminal charges, and had paid all my "debts to society", I had to be held in custody. It made absolutely no difference that my wife and 2 children are US citizens.

I was taken to the jail in Whitefish, MT, and spent New Years there. On the Jan 2nd, I was moved to Boulder County jail. On Jan 4th, I was moved to Mini Casa (a penetentiary) in Idaho. A few days later, I was moved to an INS holding facility in Denver, CO. During all this time, my wife had no idea where I was, as I was not allowed to make a phone call. Remember, I was't charged with anything, I was just "being held" by immigration, I had no rights.

When I finally got to Denver - a week after I was taken - I was allowed to call my wife. I still had no real clue what the hell was going on. This holding facility (imagine a penetentiary on 24 hour lockdown) was full of immigrants. Mostly illegal immigrants from Mexico. Many of the non-mexicans have been awaiting deportaion for over 2 years! Remember, these people, and myself, were not being held on criminal charges, merely being held in custody awaiting deportation.

Fortunately, the 9th Federal District Court had recently made a ruling that it was unconstitutional to hold people like me without recourse to the justice system. Hence, I was allowed to post an "immigration bond" (of $10,000.--), and was allowed to appeal.

So, for the past few years, I've been fighting this, spending thousands of dollars in legal fees, and continuing to pay thousands of dollars in income taxes.

Well, the Department of Homeland Security (formerly the INS) decided in June to round up all of us who were out on bond, and ram through the deportaion orders. You may have read in your local paper about somebody being deported at the end of July. I was only one of thousands of immigrants out on bond who were booted out in July and August.

So, on July 29th, I turned myself in to the immigration folks, and was taken back into custody, and resided at the Boulder County jail again. Fortunately, this time I was allowed to make calls.

Until on the morning of August 8th, when the Border Patrol took me out of my cell at 5:30 AM and hustled me onto a plane. I wasn't allowed to make a call untill we were outside the territorial limits of the US, over the Atlantic. I called my wife and let her know what was up.

Then, upon arrival in Germany, I was taken off the plane, and released. Blam. They said "see ya" to me in the middle of the airport in Frankfurt.

So here I was, Saturday morning in an airport in country where I can barely speak the language, very little money, and all the government offices closed.

I made like a bum and slept in a homeless shelter, and on Monday managed to work my way to the welfare office. (Sozialamt)

I'm now living in a tiny studio apartment in Oldenburg. I have just today managed to get myself a computer and get back on-line. For the past 2 months (1 month, 3 weeks, actually) I've been struggling with the language, the welfare, and life in general. I'm very fortunate that I can continue my old line of work, and all of my clients are very happy to have me back up and running.

My wife is going to come visit me for 3 weeks at the end of January, and they're going to move over here when the school year is finished. I'm hoping we can end up in Canada, but that's problematic. It's more likely we`ll end up in the UK - since I can live anywhere in the EU without needing a passport.

So that's what's been happening with me for the past few months.

So next time you feel so proud to be an American and in the "Land of the Free", think hard.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:11 pm
 


They can hold people without being under arrest? Can they do that in Canada?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:53 am
 


Yes they can, Wheats. Remember that rights-raping piece of crap Bill C-36? Remember that panting bitch Anne McLellan saying, "There will always be a terrorist threat?" Remember Chretien being forced to publicly admit that the anti-terrorist laws can be used to stifle public dissent? Remeber the Alliance saying the bill left us with too many rights? Remember that nobody dared to talk back until Bill Blaikie stood up and started asking questions? Remeber when Joe Clark sensed a way to differentiate himself from the Alliance he followed suit?

That bill allows the same kind of crap to go on in Canada.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:48 pm
 


There was also the story (on the news) last year about the gentleman (Canadian) who'd been travelling on holidays with his wife and kids. I can't remember the country he and his family were flying home from, but at a stop over in the US he was apprehended and detained (still is I believe) because he'd been born in Syria. He was a Canadian Citizen, but the US decided in their infinint wisdom to send him back to Syria.


Makes one want to stay as far away from the US as possible. Since the above proves you don't even have to be travelling in the US to have shit happen.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:56 pm
 


Screw the US


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:11 am
 


hockeyguy3399 hockeyguy3399:
Screw the US


Wow, that's the best you got? Don't waste our time.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:28 am
 


I didn't realize people needed to respond to suit your intellect.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:38 am
 


I remember that story Twila. And then the Canadian Government said that there was no need for an investigation. It wasnt Canada's fault it was the US's fault. But why didnt Canada stand up and say, " what the hell is going on?!! You get that man back home now?" Why was he allowed to get deported at all. While in Syeria he was tortured and made to confess he was a terrorist.

Conviently enough the INS is not the department that deals with the Geneva convention on torture. Nice for them. The man may have been travelling through the US. But you try to get a flight from Europe or the middle east that doesnt goto the US. I would imagine they are hard to come by.

I used to live in a border town. I actually live in NB so its not that far from the border anyway. But I havent been over there in years. Dont plan on going there and dont really want to. I've been searched so many times by them its not funny. They rip the car and everything in it apart then leave you to clean it up.

They almost detained a friend of mine for having perscription drugs. they asked what they where for and where he got them. then he called the number for the drugstore he got them from to verify that it was an actually perscription. Wow. They searched a floppy disk I had for porn. I just find it easier to stay in Canada.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:07 pm
 


... It was supposedly stated by a Canadian source that it was the RCMP that pointed out this guy as a potential terrorist...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:25 pm
 


His name is Maher Arar. The US sent, possibly acting on information from either the RCMP or CSIS had him deported. He was tortured and admitted under torture that he was a terrorist. The admission was so brutally gotten that even his torturers didn't believe him.

Arar is back in Canada now. He's calling for a full investigation. What the US did...deporting a Canadian citizen to a third country where torture is allowed...is illegal under international law. We need a full investigation on both sides of the border and those involved need to be tried for their crimes.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:27 pm
 


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Hmmmm, Rev and Wingnut - you know what I'm thinkin', dont ya???

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:30 pm
 


Is there any doubt??


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:36 am
 


So what if it is? I doubt RH will leave links to pictures of women with dogs up for long and would ban anybody who put something like that up.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:00 pm
 


I'd forgotten about that..... :roll: :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:06 pm
 


That's really the only thing rricky ever did really wrong, at least that I know of. He wasn't the brightest cookie in the jar but he seemed mostly harmless until then.


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