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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:59 pm
 


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P.S : Why didn't the Canadian Govt stop this event in the first place

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/02 ... cancelled/

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Meir Weinstein, director of the Jewish Defence League, the hardline group sponsoring the event, told the National Post he was shocked and mystified as to why the police got involved.

“They took a position against Pamela Geller – our right to have her to speak.”


George Galloway gets banned from entering Canada but yet a terrorist organisation can openly host events and have slime like Spam come and spew their hatred ???


Galloway got banned because he openly funds terrorist organizations.

Again, what right do the police have to stifle free speech?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:09 pm
 


Sigh !!! You just seemed to round and round like a broken record on your imaginary viewpoint. The police did not, it was the bureau, whose job I'm guessing is to promote peace and harmony kind of stuff not the exact opposite. You could twist your knickers as much as like if it was just another rabbi who did not work for the police and that dept in paticular.

Also this event is sponsored by a known terrorist organization, isn't that reason enough ?

EDIT : Neither the police of the Bureau stifle any speech if you read, Ill do the honors again

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“If he had not cancelled the event – and again, that was his decision – then we would have had to re-evaluate his relationship with York Regional Police because it would be clearly be in contravention of the values of our organization,” said Insp. Veerappan.


The Rabbi did, and it was not he was in fear of losing his job, because he is a volunteer there and not like he would end up jobless. Most probably the Rabbi wasn't fully aware of Spam Geller properly and when confronted with facts decided not to, once it was HIS choice to do so


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:16 pm
 


desertdude wrote:
Sigh !!! You just seemed to round and round like a broken record on your imaginary viewpoint. The police did not, it was the bureau, whose job I'm guessing is to promote peace and harmony kind of stuff not the exact opposite. You could twist your knickers as much as like if it was just another rabbi who did not work for the police and that dept in paticular.

Also this event is sponsored by a known terrorist organization, isn't that reason enough ?


The 'bureau' is part of the York police. Why, no one knows, something special for them.
Only shows you don't read.

And the JDL isn't a terror group in Canada.. nor in the states, judging
by the number of open chapters.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:20 pm
 


So the FBI have them on their terrorist list for shits and giggles.

Edit : Even if it isn't, a shit load of members have been involved in Terrorist activity to be on that list anyways. And thats all beyond the point of the OP anyways


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:25 pm
 


This is why I've been saying all along, that if it were up to me, NONE of these fringe bastards from any of these extremist groups, would ever be allowed to speak in Canada. Geller, the JDL, Galloway, the Hamas/Hezbollah filth, none of them, period.

Spread their garbage all they want over the internet. Canada's not obligated in the slightest to give a physical platform to stand on.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:27 pm
 


desertdude wrote:
So the FBI have them on their terrorist list for shits and giggles



Once again, you need to learn how to read your own links before
shitposting here.

JDL is not a terror group in Canada.

JDL is not a terror group in the US.

If it was, they wouldn't be open.


Unlike your buddy Georgie, who openly gave money to Hamas.


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desertdude wrote:
Sigh !!! You just seemed to round and round like a broken record on your imaginary viewpoint.


My viewpoint is not imaginary, it is enshrined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the laws governing Police Forces in Canada. I am going round and round because I am right, and everyone is dancing around the actual problem.

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The police did not, it was the bureau,


desertdude wrote:
The police's stance on this and rightly so

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Police dispute allegations that there were any threats of intimidation, saying instead that “a discussion” took place Tuesday between Insp. Ricky Veerappan, leader of the York Regional Police force’s diversity, equity and inclusion bureau, and Rabbi Kaplan, who is also a volunteer chaplain with the force. Insp. Veerappan said that during their discussion, the rabbi was presented with more information and a decision.



Which is it? Did a uniformed member of the police give Rabbi Kaplain an ultimatum or not?

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whose job I'm guessing is to promote peace and harmony kind of stuff not the exact opposite. You could twist your knickers as much as like if it was just another rabbi who did not work for the police and that dept in paticular.


And that is my point. Where in the laws of Canada are police departments supposed to, or permitted to promote 'peace and harmony'?


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Also this event is sponsored by a known terrorist organization, isn't that reason enough ?


Rabbi Kaplain is a terrorist organization? Or his synagogue? I thought he was a member of the York Regional Police Force?

Want to know the wonderful part of free speech? Ms Geller has a right to say whatever she wants behind closed doors - nobody is forced to listen to her. And free speech isn't a crime, so it's not the perrogative of the police to interfere.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:29 pm
 


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Want to know the wonderful part of free speech? Ms Geller has a right to say whatever she wants behind closed doors - nobody is forced to listen to her. And free speech isn't a crime, so it's not the perrogative of the police to interfere.



Not in this country, anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:34 pm
 


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DrCaleb wrote:

Want to know the wonderful part of free speech? Ms Geller has a right to say whatever she wants behind closed doors - nobody is forced to listen to her. And free speech isn't a crime, so it's not the perrogative of the police to interfere.


Not in this country, anyway.


Too true.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23506404


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:43 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
Want to know the wonderful part of free speech? Ms Geller has a right to say whatever she wants behind closed doors - nobody is forced to listen to her. And free speech isn't a crime, so it's not the perrogative of the police to interfere.


Free speech isn't a free-for-all of chaos in Canada the way it is in the US. We have no protections for blatant hate speech, for calls to violence, or for the demonization and dehumanization of political or social opponents. Bart and the other Yanks around here can come in and say this makes us equivalent to the Soviet Union or to Hitlerville, but that's the way the rules are written so that's the way it is.

This is what allows the government to regulate who can and can't enter Canada for political purposes. I support this because it raises our standards to a higher level, as opposed to the US where codified rights seem merely to be encouragement to the lowest common denominator to keep acting like a bunch of ridiculous jerk-offs (i.e. Beck, Limpbaugh, internet scum like Geller and Alex Jones, and the rest of the vile black-hearted xxxxx on cable news and hate radio).


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Want to know the wonderful part of free speech? Ms Geller has a right to say whatever she wants behind closed doors - nobody is forced to listen to her. And free speech isn't a crime, so it's not the perrogative of the police to interfere.


Free speech isn't a free-for-all of chaos in Canada the way it is in the US. We have no protections for blatant hate speech, for calls to violence, or for the demonization and dehumanization of political or social opponents. Bart and the other Yanks around here can come in and say this makes us equivalent to the Soviet Union or to Hitlerville, but that's the way the rules are written so that's the way it is.

This is what allows the government to regulate who can and can't enter Canada for political purposes. I support this because it raises our standards to a higher level, as opposed to the US where codified rights seem merely to be encouragement to the lowest common denominator to keep acting like a bunch of ridiculous jerk-offs (i.e. Beck, Limpbaugh, internet scum like Geller and Alex Jones, and the rest of the vile black-hearted xxxxx on cable news and hate radio).

That is true for all our rights though (and rights for those in the US, even if it's unacknowledged). An individuals rights end where they interfere with the rights of another.

Ms Geller or any of the others can say what they want, but when they promote hatred and it interferes with another person's right to security of the person, then a crime has been comitted and the police should get involved.

Not before.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:58 pm
 


Thanos wrote:
DrCaleb wrote:
Want to know the wonderful part of free speech? Ms Geller has a right to say whatever she wants behind closed doors - nobody is forced to listen to her. And free speech isn't a crime, so it's not the perrogative of the police to interfere.


Free speech isn't a free-for-all of chaos in Canada the way it is in the US. We have no protections for blatant hate speech, for calls to violence, or for the demonization and dehumanization of political or social opponents. Bart and the other Yanks around here can come in and say this makes us equivalent to the Soviet Union or to Hitlerville, but that's the way the rules are written so that's the way it is.

This is what allows the government to regulate who can and can't enter Canada for political purposes. I support this because it raises our standards to a higher level, as opposed to the US where codified rights seem merely to be encouragement to the lowest common denominator to keep acting like a bunch of ridiculous jerk-offs (i.e. Beck, Limpbaugh, internet scum like Geller and Alex Jones, and the rest of the vile black-hearted xxxxx on cable news and hate radio).


Freedom is messy and it's not for those who prefer peace and quiet over the animated contests of liberty. Of course, Canadians only have those privileges that your rulers extend to you and can revoke at their discretion...as the good Rabbi discovered.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:14 pm
 


As a Jew, the good rabbi should have known better than to invite someone who's speech isn't much different at all from what certain people were sounding like in the 1930's.

You can have your animated conversations about liberty all you want, but it Canada when that conversation reached to point of demonization and existentially calling for violence against your opponents that's when the goddamn talking stops and the authorities step in.

One day, a teacher back in high school took a disgusted look at the headbangers and other apes acting like idiots in the student parking lot. He turned to those of us who were watching the antics of the lowest common denominator and casually said, "gentlemen, those people over there are the reason the rest of us have to live by rules". As with the dipshits who's only point of existing was to get stoned over lunchbreak, so with the likes of Geller or Galloway.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:29 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:

Ms Geller or any of the others can say what they want, but when they promote hatred and it interferes with another person's right to security of the person, then a crime has been comitted and the police should get involved.

Not before.


I agree Doc, but have you noticed with all the spew and insults against Pamela Geller, nobody is able to show anything dangerous like that coming from Miss Geller.

Near as I can figure here's the worse thing Pamela ever did as far as the single issue fanatics are concerned. This is the one the foreign, desert dud, type zealots scream the loudest about, and the reason they don't think Canadians should hear what Pamela Geller has to say.

There's a Palestinian organization called TWO PEOPLES ONE FUTURE. It started displaying ads in the NY subway claiming only the Palestinians are interested in Peace so Americans should not finance Israel.

Geller's organization fought for the legal right to post a counter-ad saying if it came down to a war between the civilized man and the savage, you should support the civilized man, because Jihad - and they specifically said Jihad - represented the savage.

Side by side, you can see them below.

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That is the worse crime these guys can come up with, so scratch your head why a courageous heroine like Pamela Geller deserves vilification over that one.

Oh and here's another one, not for you DC, but if the Southern Poverty Law Center calls something a "terrorist organization", all it truly makes that organization is an enemy of name-calling communists.

Oh, and people need to be careful about saying what would happen if the Islamics invited terrorists to speak. They might inspire me to go to Google to find some things I already know are there.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:55 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
Oh and here's another one, not for you DC, but if the Southern Poverty Law Center calls something a "terrorist organization", all it truly makes them is an enemy of communists.


That didn't used to be the case but anymore it is.


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