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Yes! to joing the USA  9%  [ 8 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:32 pm
 


Should Canada join the United States?

Here is a link to the United North America website, a Canadian website that advocates Canada joining the United States and eventually having a "North American Union" similar to the European Union. Should we consider joing the U.S. or not?

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/index.htm


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:34 pm
 


Of course not.

You're such a shit disturber, tritty. :wink: :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:35 pm
 


Benefits of Canada joining the USA!!

"Ask not what your country can do for you - Ask what you can do for your country. Ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." - John F. Kennedy


North Americans in both Canada and the United States are free and prosperous people, proud of their national histories and achievements – so why should we attempt to change things? One could argue the essential question should not be why, but why not? Why not try to create history by enlarging the nation and generating greater wealth, progression and unity within this diverse continent?

At the same time, there are still a number of specific reasons why we should favor this ambitious idea of a United North America. The main arguments can be split up into these five categories: Economics, Defense, Politics, History and Culture.


Economics

The economic case for unity is perhaps the easiest and most obvious argument to make, at least in terms of the sheer practical benefits it would provide to the average North American. According to the Economics Department of the Bank of Montreal, "one of the critical benefits of greater economic integration for Canadians [with the US] is the prospect of higher living standards...”. By tearing down obstacles at the Canada-US border put in place by both governments, inevitably this will result in increased trade, which in turn benefits producers and consumers, employers and employees. The main benefactors of borders, by contrast, are those who either profit from lack of competition or those who collect duties, tariffs and other expenses – primarily the governments of Canada and the United States.

Just as decreased taxation can actually result in increased tax revenues for governments, elimination of trade restrictions would actually result in increased trade, economic stimulus, further increased government revenues and most importantly, increased prosperity for the average North American. Overall, the removing of myriads of redundant agencies and consolidating everything from budgets to currencies would eliminate waste and streamline the North American economic engine.


Defense

North American air, space and sea are already under the aegis of NORAD, a permanent agreement binding the security of Canada and the United States together domestically. Abroad, the two countries work together militarily through organizations such as NATO. Such arrangements have helped create an integrated, interoperable and cooperative North American security force within our continent and throughout the world. However, the overall defensive capability of North America is not enhanced, but rather diminished, by the fact that we continue to have two sets of military and government departments dedicated to our joint internal security. The burden of nearly doubling the administrative costs may have a debatable effect on the security of the continent.

Yet, it is clear that we are wasting personnel by spreading our border patrols across the vast 5,500 mile border that Canada and the US share. The potential loss of misusing forces is much more difficult to measure, but just as the 9/11 hijackers revealed, an act of terrorism can severely damage the integrity of the continent. Another incident could easily occur if we are not vigilant and wise in deploying our resources. Security and terrorist threats do not come to Canada from United States or vice-versa, but from overseas. Removing unnecessary land and sea patrols and rather directing them to protecting airports and harbors from outside threats would have the doubled effect of enhancing our security and strengthening the free flow of travel and trade between the regions of North America.


Politics

Democracy is only given meaning through the expressed ideas and visions of the people. A democracy of one person is no democracy at all, but a democracy of a million people is a powerful force. Undoubtedly, the United States holds the greatest political influence in the world largely because of its people power. The added voices of Canadians could only improve democracy by reinvigorating the republic with new thoughts and concepts.

From a canadian perspective, Canadians would gain a seat in the most powerful halls of government and finally have a voice in setting the course for the continent and the world. Economics and security are often discussed in relation to continental integration, and treaties turn these discussions into realities. Yet, too often the political influence of the US over Canada increases as a result of these agreements while Canadians remain helpless to similarly influence the US. The softwood lumber dispute and the mad cow crisis are perfect case examples of such a relationship.

Prosperity and security are almost meaningless if no vehicle exists to make internal changes by democratic initiative; for Canadians, this is increasingly the case. Globalization is not something that can be reversed, but the political gap can be overcome if Canadians make their voices heard by sending Canadian congressmen to Washington DC.


History and Culture

History and culture are often used as tools to segregate people, promote nationalism and encourage division. This has certainly been the case for the past 250 years of Canadian and USAmerican history. In reality, however, it is our shared history and culture that should unite the people of North America together. Unlike the nations of Europe who are divided among deep linguistic and religious lines that have formed over centuries of history, Canada and the United States are relatively new countries that share common languages, religions and people. Indeed, we are a pattern of cultures woven from a common thread.

The border that divides us today was not created out of any interminable or irresolvable issues. It was instead simply a line drawn by an imperial power that has long since left the shores of North America. While the political disputes of the 18th Century have long since disappeared, their legacy continues to live on in the form of the border. A United North America would finally heal the wound of the first civil war that divided the people of North America, and bring about a reunion of historical proportions.

BUT I'LL TAKE THIS QUESTION TO A NEW THREAD.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:36 pm
 


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Of course not.

You're such a shit disturber, tritty. :wink: :lol:


You're such a Liberal/Commie. :rock: XD

It's Obvious that you and Mr Canada will come here and trash the idea. But seriously think about it.

You're just afraid of not having socialized medicine and the gov't taking care of you.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:39 pm
 


Go fuck yourself. :idea:


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Go fuck yourself. :idea:


[B-o] told ya!! (great intellectual response, well you're what 14?)


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Hey look Tritium has changed personalities... AGAIN!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:42 pm
 


tritium wrote:
Streaker wrote:
Of course not.

You're such a shit disturber, tritty. :wink: :lol:


You're such a Liberal/Commie. :rock: XD

It's Obvious that you and Mr Canada will come here and trash the idea. But seriously think about it.

You're just afraid of not having socialized medicine and the gov't taking care of you.


Why would I want to live in a banana republic when I presently live somewhere much better - Canada?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:45 pm
 


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Hey look Tritium has changed personalities... AGAIN!


I am just posing a question.

What I don't understand is all the fuss about Canada as a sovereign nation, or part of the USA.

In short, I like Canada as an independent nation, but wouldn't be overly concerned if we joined the USA or became part of a NAU.

I mean, Alberta is basically the 51st state already. :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:50 pm
 


tritium wrote:
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Hey look Tritium has changed personalities... AGAIN!


I am just posing a question.

What I don't understand is all the fuss about Canada as a sovereign nation, or part of the USA.

In short, I like Canada as an independent nation, but wouldn't be overly concerned if we joined the USA or became part of a NAU.

I mean, Alberta is basically the 51st state already. :roll:

Alright. If the NAU ever happens and is disintegrates Canada, we'll be sure to off you quickly when Proud Canadians start an immediate revolution for our independence.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:52 pm
 


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Should we consider joing the U.S. or not?
Are you serious?

Wait, do you mean after they get their debt paid down and finances in order?? Could be a whole different world by the time that happens...


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tritium wrote:
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Go fuck yourself. :idea:


[B-o] told ya!! (great intellectual response, well you're what 14?)

I believe it was perfect for you. You ignorance of Canada as a nation deserved the response.

And it was about as intellectual as you spitting on Canadian independence.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:57 pm
 


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Should we consider joing the U.S. or not?
Are you serious?

Wait, do you mean after they get their debt paid down and finances in order?? Could be a whole different world by the time that happens...

I heard they managed to find the date that America would be able to pay off their debt.

About 4,000 years after the sun explodes.


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Alright. If the NAU ever happens and is disintegrates Canada, we'll be sure to off you quickly when Proud Canadians start an immediate revolution for our independence.



Disintegrates Canada, please.

The NAU will not be the cause of Canada disintegrating. If anything it should unite Canada more..

Case in point, the NAU is not to blame for:
http://www.blocquebecois.org
http://www.separationalberta.com

..and other fringe groups that would rather destroy Canada from within.

I think a strong east west economy as well as access (totally unfettered access to the US market) would only benefit canada and our economy.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:03 pm
 


tritium wrote:
Disintegrates Canada, please.

The NAU will not be the cause of Canada disintegrating. If anything it should unite Canada more..

Case in point, the NAU is not to blame for:
http://www.blocquebecois.org
http://www.separationalberta.com

..and other fringe groups that would rather destroy Canada from within.

I think a strong east west economy as well as access (totally unfettered access to the US market) would only benefit canada and our economy.

So the U.S. can buy us.

Like a slave.

And BQ and WBP are just movements. Movement's that are dying. You think the USA would be able to deal with them? Just by telling them to sit down and shut up? You know why we don't do that? Because we don't like civil war.

If this country become an American state, it will probably be the first time that Proud Canadians and Separatists ever work together. For the sake of independence from the USA.


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