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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:51 am
 


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So the majority should be able to tell the minority what they can and can't do?


Isn't that called democracy?
Majority rules, minority rights. When we gave women the right to vote and passed the bills that gave blacks equal rights in America, the majority of voters were opposed. We did it anyway. Why? We decided that issues of rights should not be left to the majority. That's also why Proposition 8 in California is getting dragged through the court system.

Secondly, America and Canada are not democracies, and never should be. We are republics, which is not the same.


Who's this we, white man? The majority elected the pols who made those changes. Or since you say we, is there some cabal you were a part of that made that decision against the will of the people?

Canada is a republic? And by your statement I gather it's not democratic as well?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:06 am
 


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Who's this we, white man? The majority elected the pols who made those changes. Or since you say we, is there some cabal you were a part of that made that decision against the will of the people?

Canada is a republic? And by your statement I gather it's not democratic as well?
We may elect our leaders, but that doesn't mean they do everything we want. Case in point, Bush and LBJ.

Yes, Canada is a republic. There is a difference between a republic and a democracy. A republic can have democratic elements, but that doesn't make it a democracy. In a democracy, the people decide everything. In a republic, the people elect people who decide everything. In the first, you get mob rule. In the second, things are a bit more stable, though that doesn't necessarily mean the government won't do bad things.


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MacAilbert wrote:
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Who's this we, white man? The majority elected the pols who made those changes. Or since you say we, is there some cabal you were a part of that made that decision against the will of the people?

Canada is a republic? And by your statement I gather it's not democratic as well?
We may elect our leaders, but that doesn't mean they do everything we want. Case in point, Bush and LBJ.

Yes, Canada is a republic. There is a difference between a republic and a democracy. A republic can have democratic elements, but that doesn't make it a democracy. In a democracy, the people decide everything. In a republic, the people elect people who decide everything. In the first, you get mob rule. In the second, things are a bit more stable, though that doesn't necessarily mean the government won't do bad things.


You might want to google Canada's system of govt before you spout off about it being a republic.

And we democratically elect our government. If it doesn't do what the plurality of the people want, it won't remain in power. It's not direct democracy, but it's government with the consent of the people.


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andyt wrote:
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Who's this we, white man? The majority elected the pols who made those changes. Or since you say we, is there some cabal you were a part of that made that decision against the will of the people?

Canada is a republic? And by your statement I gather it's not democratic as well?
We may elect our leaders, but that doesn't mean they do everything we want. Case in point, Bush and LBJ.

Yes, Canada is a republic. There is a difference between a republic and a democracy. A republic can have democratic elements, but that doesn't make it a democracy. In a democracy, the people decide everything. In a republic, the people elect people who decide everything. In the first, you get mob rule. In the second, things are a bit more stable, though that doesn't necessarily mean the government won't do bad things.


You might want to google Canada's system of govt before you spout off about it being a republic.

And we democratically elect our government. If it doesn't do what the plurality of the people want, it won't remain in power. It's not direct democracy, but it's government with the consent of the people.
A non direct democracy is a republic, not a democracy.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:21 am
 


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A non direct democracy is a republic, not a democracy.


Those are the only two choices, are they? I don't think you'll find much support for your position out there if you take the trouble to investigate it.


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andyt wrote:
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A non direct democracy is a republic, not a democracy.


Those are the only two choices, are they? I don't think you'll find much support for your position out there if you take the trouble to investigate it.
Ha! Bring up the issue in an American political debate. We'll fight over it for hours, and bring all sorts of sources supporting both sides in to back ourselves up. It's a hot issue with us.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:28 am
 


MacAilbert wrote:
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A non direct democracy is a republic, not a democracy.


Those are the only two choices, are they? I don't think you'll find much support for your position out there if you take the trouble to investigate it.
Ha! Bring up the issue in an American political debate. We'll fight over it for hours, and bring all sorts of sources supporting both sides in to back ourselves up. It's a hot issue with us.


All you have to do is produce one legitimate source that says Canada is a republic.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:29 am
 


MacAilbert wrote:
A non direct democracy is a republic, not a democracy.

You may want to look up the definition of republic. Canada is not a republic.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:36 am
 


Canada has a system of representative government. You may call it a constitutional monarchy or representative democracy, but all representative governments are republics. Therefore, Canada is a republic. You may not call it a republic because you vote for parties are not for people, but it functions the same way.

Here is the definition of a republic.

"A republic is a form of government in which the people, or some significant portion of them, have supreme control over the government and where offices of state are elected or chosen by elected people. In modern times, a common simplified definition of a republic is a government where the head of state is not a monarch."

Canada has a form of government where people have control over the government of it's offices via elections, and, although it has a monarch, she is powerless and therefore doesn't count.


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RUEZ wrote:
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A non direct democracy is a republic, not a democracy.

You may want to look up the definition of republic. Canada is not a republic.


Not to throw that back at you, but effectively, Canada is a republic. While I support the notion of a Constitutional monarchy the effective fact is that I seriously doubt that Canadians would respond to a British monarch as head of state during a crisis. Maybe it would be different were Canada to have its own monarch, but I don't see you folks ever doing so. Therefore I see Canada as ann effective republic given that the Queen's practical authority is diminished to the point of almost less-than-figurehead status.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:12 pm
 


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Not to throw that back at you, but effectively, Canada is a republic. While I support the notion of a Constitutional monarchy the effective fact is that I seriously doubt that Canadians would respond to a British monarch as head of state during a crisis. Maybe it would be different were Canada to have its own monarch, but I don't see you folks ever doing so. Therefore I see Canada as an effective republic given that the Queen's practical authority is diminished to the point of almost less-than-figurehead status.

Exactly. R=UP


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:41 pm
 


So the Queens' representative would have no impact on our democracy and couldn't prorogue parliament etc?

She might be a figure head but the monarchy still has a political affect on our country and Canada isn't a republic. Endex.


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So the Queens' representative would have no impact on our democracy and couldn't prorogue parliament etc?

Against the wishes of Parliament, no. If the monarchy ever attemted to act in any way other than as a symbolic and traditional figure head, the whole lot would be given the bum's rush right quick.

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She might be a figure head but the monarchy still has a political affect on our country and Canada isn't a republic. Endex.

Canada isn't a republic. But it acts virtually like one, or is, as Bart said, "effectively" a republic.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:49 pm
 


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Canada isn't a republic. But it acts virtually like one, or is, as Bart said, "effectively" a republic.

Stephen Harper is an economist.


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RUEZ wrote:
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Canada isn't a republic. But it acts virtually like one, or is, as Bart said, "effectively" a republic.

Stephen Harper is an economist.

See, you have a sense of humour. :lol:


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