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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:11 pm
 


First: I would never bring an illegal weapon into Canada or otherwise violate any Canadian law. And I have always felt comfortable in Canada without my usual equipment.


I am properly licensed to conceal carry a handgun and I do every day. I pretty much feel naked without my gun, like leaving the house without my wallet or car keys. All this feels very natural and otherwise don't give it much thought. My handgun is concealed and out of mind most of the time. I go to the gun range often. Practice, practice...practice.

So, I wonder about Canadians.

- Do Canadians feel properly protected? Do you have enough police to stay on top of the crazies? Does Canada have a lot less crime than America?

- Do Canadians want to be able to protect themselves?

The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, does not grant the right to bear arms, rather it simply prohibits our government from interferring with our natural God given right.

Even at that I beleve we have too much regulation. Freedom is never guaranteed, but must always be demanded.

Is Canada some kind of utopia where you can just breathe easy all the time?

There is an Obama poster in one of our local gun shops with the title: "Our best Salesman". Yea, kind of funny, but apparently true. I am an old fart, but I am just amazed at the young people, including young ladies at the gun range. I don't think anybody has a real true picture of all this. The left wing media here in the U.S. doesn't want to admit where citizen sentiment resides.

I live close to a major mental institution and large prison facility. As our government spirals out of control and threatens early prisoner release, there seems to be more reason to gear up for personal security.

So, is everything that cozy in good old Canada?

Next time you visit U.S. look up a good in-door gun range that rents out handguns. You might like it. A good range will provide a firearme safety course and provide instruction.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:28 pm
 


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:31 pm
 


I'm not going to give you any propaganda or anything. Just my opinion and that's all.

Personally I feel safe in Canada. My home has never been broken into, and my family has never required a gun to protect ourselves, or any sort of weapon. We don't think of it and perhaps some would call it naive. We don't often lock our doors, and don't really think we have too. We have a dog now, but not for defence. (Rotty puppy)

That said, this is purely my opinion and others here will tell you their stories which will be contrary to mine. They'll tell you of horrific fights in which everything important in their life was threatened, and I suppose that stuff happens. It does happen in Canada, we aren't a utopia. They'll tell you about how they've since then obtained a gun and it's really helped them.

Me and my family don't exactly want to protect ourselves as we never have needed too. We don't have any burgler horror stories or enemies that wouldn't go away. I would call it "the average Canadian life", but others on this board will understandably disagree because of events that happened in their life.

Living in Alberta, I don't know any kids who actually own a gun or use one. I know some of their parents do and they go hunting and such. I live in a city of 60,000 people, which is nothing next to Toronto or real cities with real crime, I suppose.

I have personally wanted to learn how to use a handgun, just in case, but it's on my bucket list, along with many other crazy things that I just want to do for the sake of seeing what it's like.

Here is a PDF file with a comparison of USA crime rates and Canada crime rates, from StatCan. I'll let you form your own opinion about it.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/8 ... 11-eng.pdf


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:33 pm
 


We have no shortage of gun ranges in Canada if you feel like squeezing off a few rounds.

Depends where you stand I guess, from down there you're asking if it's that cozy in Canada.

From up here your paranoia seems to border on the edge of a serious psychosis.

I worked in KY for awhile. I had a coworker tell me he won't go on the smallest road trip without his handgun in his glove box. That just sounds like bat shit crazy paranoia to me... I don't know any other way to put it.

Maybe it is that cozy up here, but I worked down there for years and I only ever felt threatened once. That was when a bunch of people started talking guns at a house party and a few minutes later there were four handguns being passed around the table. All these drunk folks taking turns playing with them.

Not that anybody had any ill intents, they were just drunk people playing with guns, and I had no way of knowing for sure that they weren't loaded.

Outside of defending the farm from four legged pests, I've never needed a firearm.


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The thing is, violent crime/armed assaults still occurs even without ready access to firearms. The weapons involved, vary from knives to tools to anything that can be concealed by the perp, before they require it. For good reasons, the areas with the most violent crimes are the prairie cities of Saskatoon, Regina and Winnipeg(which also has a serious problem with vehicle theft).

You have to be very careful when it comes to defending your property and or loved ones with firearms,as you can end up being the one charged if you discharge your weapon at the criminals. I've always had well trained dogs to deal with property and personal/family protection. I have several weapons but they are stored in a secured steel locker(they are chained and bolted in side as well), with the ammunition stored in a safe. Except for some troublesome poachers(I never signed the damned treaty, so I don't recognize anyone's right to hunt on my land without my permission)on some land I own bordering a provincial forest and park, I've never had to carry one into a confrontation.

Here in Taiwan there is very little violence involving firearms...period. There is violence with weapons, but that usually involves blades and bats. Most westerners here feel very safe. In fact, western women here have often remarked how safe they feel even late at night on unlighted streets.

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The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, does not grant the right to bear arms, rather it simply prohibits our government from interferring with our natural God given right.


I've often thought that this was misinterpreted, because you always leave out the part where it says that it is needed to maintain a well armed militia. National Guardsmen, police forces and state miltias have all the weapons they need, so why does te average citizen need access to assault weapons and pistols?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:51 pm
 


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If you actually think you need a gun for personal protection and you're not a timber cruiser or prospector wandering alone for days in grizzly country, you've got a problem.
You society is broken.
If you truly want an opinion from an average Canadian, we'd tell you to fix it or move to another country.
Or turn off the fucking tv, cuz Momma never told you it wasn't fucking real.

I'm not shitting. I go on a welcome BC site and here's some lady asking if its 'safe' to move to Prince George. WTF? Safe?
Safe from paranoid chickenshits who think they need to hide a gun under their coat, certainly. Anybody sees a handgun on you 911 is going to swamped in three seconds.
You can own a handgun in this country if you want to. With the proper permits, locked in a case on the way to and from the range, and if you even want to show it to someone in your own home it better be unloaded and the ammo locked away somewhere else.
And about 2% of us will take your side on the issue.

Now if you wanna talk about a long gun, that's another story. Half the damn problems here are due to automatically associating the word 'gun' with a handgun or assault weapon. Leave our rifles and shotguns alone.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:16 am
 


I should make an amendment to my previous comment. Myself or someone else usually went armed when we went berry picking or camping(obviously not in a national park). A shotgun loaded with bird shot was occasionally needed as bear repellant, larger if the problem was persistent.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:37 am
 


A) Canadians are not afraid to go outside their homes (hence we do not feel the need to carry weapons)

B) Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 pop: Canada 0.54, United States 2.97.

C) You can own handguns, rifles, and shotguns with the right paper work.

D) Most homicides in Canada are gangs taking out other gang members, civilians only die in the crossfire (ie a stray bullet)

E) Overall homicide rate per 100,000 pop: Canada 1.58, United States 4.55

Finally and most importantly: Canadians do not have self confidence issues like our American counter parts, so we do not compensate via carrying guns everywhere.

Personally someone pulls a gun on me I feel a have a better chance at living if I don't have a firearm. The moment I reach for my gun I'm dead, I have a better chance at living if I give him what he wants or take the gun when he gets close enough.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:56 am
 


I do have to admit that the feeling is honestly consensual.. We all know that for some reason we are just less violent. I don't believe it's the amount of guns. I don't believe it's the gun registry.

We just aren't scared of each other up in Canada. "We're nicer."


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herbie wrote:
If you actually think you need a gun for personal protection and you're not a timber cruiser or prospector wandering alone for days in grizzly country, you've got a problem.
You society is broken.
If you truly want an opinion from an average Canadian, we'd tell you to fix it or move to another country.
Or turn off the fucking tv, cuz Momma never told you it wasn't fucking real.

I'm not shitting. I go on a welcome BC site and here's some lady asking if its 'safe' to move to Prince George. WTF? Safe?
Safe from paranoid chickenshits who think they need to hide a gun under their coat, certainly. Anybody sees a handgun on you 911 is going to swamped in three seconds.
You can own a handgun in this country if you want to. With the proper permits, locked in a case on the way to and from the range, and if you even want to show it to someone in your own home it better be unloaded and the ammo locked away somewhere else.
And about 2% of us will take your side on the issue.

Now if you wanna talk about a long gun, that's another story. Half the damn problems here are due to automatically associating the word 'gun' with a handgun or assault weapon. Leave our rifles and shotguns alone.


Pretty much agree. I don't need a Gun, my neighbour doesn't need a Gun. Frankly I don't know anyone who even thinks about this.....well, other than Americans. The Stats speak for themselves. You're Safer in a Nation with strict Gun Control, with a few exceptions like Israel or Switzerland.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:18 am
 


Most dangerous cities in Canada:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/04/the- ... rder-rate/

If they were being really fair they should lump all of the GVRD(Surrey, Langley, PoCo, New West, Maple Ridge, Burnaby, Coquitlam etc.) into one, just like Toronto.


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Vermont- a CCW state. Population, approx. 600,000. Incidents of gun crimes- 119/100,000 ppl. I use Vermont cuz so many gun proponents like to point at the "success" of CCW laws there.

Metro Toronto- a city in a gun control nation. Population, approx 6,000,000. Incidents of gun crime. 40/100,000 population. The bulk of that being gang on gang.

Toronto is Canada's 3rd most violent city when it comes to gun crime. And yet, with 10 times the population of the entire state of Vermont, it has one third the gun crime per capita.
So yeah, I feel plenty safe.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:48 am
 


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Does Canada have a lot less crime than America?



The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, does not grant the right to bear arms, rather it simply prohibits our government from interferring with our natural God given right.




To the first question, the answer is yes. Especially as far as gun crime is concerned.

To the second statement - can you point to where God says you have the right to bear arms? His son seemed to have been big on turning the other cheek. Has God now declared this teaching null and void? What other teachings of the Son is God denying now?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:41 am
 


Wait..what?? Well, I now know at least ONE part of the Bible you believe is fact, cuz we all know you wouldn't use something you don't believe just to argue a point right? :wink:


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