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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:26 am
 


Why must we always compare ourselves to the Americans? I'd like to know where we're the best against everybody, not one specific group.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:37 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:

With a little luck and some smart leadership, hopefully we'll avoid the same fate.
Then we are screwed!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:11 pm
 


One thing I've consistently noted is how Canadians as a people tend to punch way above our weight in general influence on and contributions to the world than most of us realize:

In World War I, we made the Germans scared of us. In World War II, we were standing equally with the British and the Americans on D-Day, even as we contributed extensively to humanitarian efforts after the war. In every conflict we've fought in, our accomplishments have stood out well out of proportion to our actual population size.

We've contributed to popular culture for decades, from the likes of Mary Pickford and Louis Mayer back in the early days of Hollywood to the likes of James Cameron, Leslie Nielsen and Jim Carrey today, in addition to musicians like Neil Young and the Arcade Fire, novelists like Margaret Atwood and Yann Martel, athletes like Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux or performances like Cirque du Soleil. How many talented people have found success south of the border, even though they were born here? Once again, a disproportionate number seem to be Canadian-Red Green, of all people, has been one of PBS's biggest fundraisers for years.

Canadians helped fight against apartheid, John Diefenbaker doing it long before it was trendy and Brian Mulroney playing an important supporting role in its eventual downfall. Terry Fox's memory raises millions every year for cancer research. Our inventions include insulin, the electron microscope, the snowmobile and the combine harvester. Canada has been a refuge for everyone from British Loyalists to Irish immigrants in the 19th century to refugees from places like Iraq, Rwanda and Somalia today.

And all this is just what I can recall off the top of my head-there are plenty of other contributions out there that I've come across in publications like The Beaver. It's surprising how many innovations, and the people behind them, have been shown to be Canadian. To me, it's a sign of a very important but overlooked element of what it means to be Canadian, making a tremendous positive impact on the world, often without fully realizing it ourselves, to the point that other peoples and cultures see it more than we see it about ourselves. We often see ourselves as reserved, second-rate compared to other, more powerful societies and otherwise more timid, but other peoples often admire us for what they see as our tolerance and our ability to get along with each other, as well as the efforts we've made on their behalf in circumstances like World War II. The reality is much more complex than that, of course, but the fact remains is that how we're often seen by the rest of the world.

What's the point of insulting our southern neighbours? We have so much to be proud of, so much to celebrate, that defines us as Canadians in a positive way, much more so than simply saying we're not Americans.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:36 pm
 


What's the point of insulting our southern neighbours?

To even question that the Americans may not the best at everything, every time, always and have always been so qualifies as anti-Americanism.

It's like questioning the Israelis when they're stomping the shit out of one of their neighbours ... even the smallest negative peep about the latest blitzkrieg is flagrant anti-Semitism and if you question what the Israelis are doing at all, you are essentially Adolph Eichmann, himself.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:29 pm
 


Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

To even question that the Americans may not the best at everything, every time, always and have always been so qualifies as anti-Americanism.

It's like questioning the Israelis when they're stomping the shit out of one of their neighbours ... even the smallest negative peep about the latest blitzkrieg is flagrant anti-Semitism and if you question what the Israelis are doing at all, you are essentially Adolph Eichmann, himself.


There's a difference between preferring certain elements of Canadian society to America's (such as my personal preference for having two official languages and more of a balance between government action and individual initiative in Canada to America's "melting pot" tendencies and greater libertarian tendencies) and former Liberal MP Carolyn Parrish talking about the "damn Americans" and how much she "hated those bastards".

Perhaps I could have phrased it better when I asked rhetorically what the point of insulting our neighbours is, but my point is that we can and should be finding more positive ways to define ourselves as Canadians beyond just stating that we're not America. Even Mel Hurtig, who is so often bashed as an anti-American, specifically commented on the Americans' energy, industriousness and innovation in The Vanishing Country: Is It Too Late To Save Canada?. Red Green summed it up nicely when he expressed in one episode how glad he was that the Americans were watching his show, but he said that it would not make him change his tune, which happens to be "O Canada".

All that aside, you do have a point when some people use the "anti-American" slur to attack anyone who criticizes anything the U.S. does, and how similar tactics are used in all kinds of other situations. I hate this as much as anyone-one reason I'm always leery of expressing my concerns about certain elements of NAFTA is the worry that I'll end up being smeared as a closet Marxist who hates trade and markets, never mind that one of my personal beliefs is that Marxism just plan doesn't work...


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