[Ransu]

I really don't think he was a jack-ass at all. He had strong convictions of what a great country needed. He was the person responsilbe for almost everything that we consider great in Canada. He did not just do the health care system. Anyways I don't feel like making a rant right now so I guess I will end with this.

Next time you suddenly get sick and need medical attention and have no cash you should think of him. When you go to work and you actually have workers rights and get paid a half decent amount, thank him.

If your gonna say something like "but I get paid a shity wage" well I will tell you go to some other places of the world. I am currently living in Uruguay until my wifes papers can get processed and I make 5$ a day and have to live on that. Yes that means food, rent, hydro, ect.

Also people who bitch about taxes please educate yourselves or visit a country that doesn't pay them. We have many free social programs and a very lovely country because of the tax money. Sure there is corruption but not near as much as in other countries. I'm not saying to just let them get away with stealing money or anything but just know it could be much worse.

Canada is known as a PARADISE for a reason. I have been told by many many people who have visited Canada from other countries that they wouldn't have left if they didn't have to. There is a reason for it believe me!

Alot of the reason for that is because of Tommy Douglas... I guess I ended up ranting a lil bit anyways.

Anyways keep trying to make Canada a better place for EVERYONE! but try to stay away from the stupid ignorant comments and complaints, they are truely annoying.

-edit- Tommy douglas was also one of the main reason why Canada did not get involved in the vietnam war.

[bossdog]

2Cdo wrote:

Robair the money wasted within healthcare is absolutely retarded! Not to mention that here in wonderful Ontario I pay for "healthcare" thanks to the McGuinty government! For the extra money I pay into this system I still cannot get a family doctor here! Universal healthcare, my ass, family must use a clinic for any medical appointments, in which they rarely see the same doctor twice! So yes, I guess the system is doing fine!

Is it still $35 a month? I know that really burned me when I was in the service becuase I wasn't able to use public health care even though I was paying for it.

Here in the US, it's hard to get health coverage for anything less than a few hundred bucks a month.

I've heard the Ontario health care being compared to the free welfare clinics here in the US. I haven't used Ontario health care in years though.

I don't know what it's like in other provinces but I remember having to wait months for an MIR in Ontario. When I had one here in the US I only waited 2 days.

As for TD - people aren't usually remembered for their personality. It's about what they did that counts.

[2Cdo]

DerbyX wrote:

2Cdo wrote:

Robair the money wasted within healthcare is absolutely retarded! Not to mention that here in wonderful Ontario I pay for "healthcare" thanks to the McGuinty government! For the extra money I pay into this system I still cannot get a family doctor here! Universal healthcare, my ass, family must use a clinic for any medical appointments, in which they rarely see the same doctor twice! So yes, I guess the system is doing fine!

Try looking for a doctor. I've lived in 5 different cities in the last 10 years and never had any problem getting medical attention in both a prompt and competent manner. Yes there have been times where I waited a while to get in to see someone but I did get in and received everything I needed.

When people like you bitch and complain about our healthcare system and say its in shambles it maligns all of us working in the system. You haven't got any constructive advice and 99% of the people bitching about Canadian healthcare have absolutely no idea how its run or how it could be rung. All they do is complain about it without realizing that it isn't just a matter of waving a magic wand to fix all the problems.

Suggest something. Lets hear your advice on exactly what we need to do to achieve whatever healthcare level you seem to think we can.

You want a more powerful military? Fine. No-wait healthcare with a 1:10 doctor patient ratio? All good. First rate roads throughout Canada? Excellent. Computers for every student and a 1:10 teacher student ratio? Brilliant. Taxes so low the Americans look at us with envy? No argument here.

So how are we going to achieve all this?

Wow, looking for a doctor, never thought of that!

If you feel "maligned" that is your issue, not mine. The SYSTEM is a shambles. A bottomless money pit that hasn't improved with the money we sink into it.

You're analogy about "bitching and whining" and having "no idea" how a system works, keep that in mind when discussing government or the military. You "bitch and whine" and have "no idea" how the system works and offer no practical advice!

Never have I said that the people who work in the health care field are the problem, both my mother and brother worked in the health care field for years. If you took it that way, that was not my intent.

The problem is in a bureaucratic system, with several layers of management, where several people are essentially in charge of the same thing in the same department. My brother witnessed it first hand at the hospital that he presently works at. I've said it in previous post, but since you have a burr up your ass on anything I post, I'll repeat myself.

I am all for the hiring of more bedside care, more nurses, doctors and more technicians ( that ones for you Derby!). In most cases this can be done by eliminating redundant layers of bureaucracy and middle management. The system has enough money, it just needs to be spent WISELY. (A problem with any government run department)

Just my quick and dirty little opinion, feel free to comment but I will leave you with your own question "How are we to achieve this?"

Looking forward to your solution.

[Ransu]

I believe the thing with medical care is the government wants the people to crack. They keep taking more and more money from it and leaving it with less, so the people get feed up with the public health system until the point of where they WANT to pay for the health care.

I think the problem is with the government looking out for themselves and the big bussiness only. I guess the main problem is that people keep voting for all these things.... liberal.. conservative.. both primarily the same just a different label. Out of those I would rather liberal cause at least then we were not considered the little brother of the U.S. But I guess I will keep voting for the guys who don't get as many votes hoping that other people will want to give something else a try.

In other note, all my trips to the hospital were very quick and I never had a big wait for anything. I guess it all depends on the place and the huge demand. I think it also depends on how many people abuse the system where you live

[themasta]

IceOwl wrote:

2Cdo wrote:

I still cannot get a family doctor here!

That's more of a problem with the cost of becoming a doctor than it is one of the health care system not working. Most people coming out university with a medical degree find it doesn't pay enough to become a family practitioner in contrast to what they paid for their education (with tuition being so ridiculously high), so we end up with fewer and fewer family doctors.

That and the fact we're churning out doctors from India (and God knows where else...China comes to mind) who come here for a cheap education then fuck off back home when they have their degree.