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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:03 pm
 


I think someone with the time and knowledge should write an essay for him, but put about 5 crucial errors in it. Make him do the research to figure out what the errors are.


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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:28 pm
 


Easy answer. The war front. Not gonna write an essay about it though. Just gonna explain my answer in four words; Battle of the Atlantic.


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Its a shame that a kid asking for help with his homework started this thread. If it was someone just asking a general question, it might be a good thread. I was not around in the 1940's. History shows that North America was not under a major threat of Axis invasion during the war. Hindsight is 20/20. What was the mood of Coastal Canada in the early 1940's? My Grandparents lived in Daytona beach Fla during the war.They said it was terrifieing. Ships were being sunk off of the coast of Fla. within view of bathers at the beaches. They had to hang blackout curtains over their windows for the duration of the war. Food and other items were rationed. The question stated by Kimo999 is a valid one. Was the training of Allied airmen at Canadian airfields, and the production of war material in Canadian factories of greater service to the Allied war effort than Canadian fighting men abroad? I have no wish to do someone's project for them, but the question is an interesting one. I do not believe that I have ever seen the question posed before. Kudos to his history class for asking a question that actualy makes someone think, and not just remember dates and places. I wish my duaghters history class was as engaging.



Unfortunately, every year CKA gets a half dozen kids who magically show up, ask
a question, expect the answer to be spoonfed to them, and then disappear.

We all get jaded pretty quick.


What would be much better is for them to post the materials they have already researched,
and let the forum comment on it.

There are ex-military types, here, as well as history buffs who could offer some
good insights into such questions.. but we dont do homework for free.

I agree with you 100% No one wants to do thier own work these days. I thought that the question being asked was pretty good. As an American I get slanted news about the Canadian war effort. Most of the news about the Canadian war effort would deal with the Battle of the Atlantic. I could find the most articles about the RCN performing escort duty in the Battle of the Atlantic. The second most articles would be about Canadian troops during D-Day. Third would be the liberation of the Netherlands. I remember watching a movie years ago { I do not recall the name} about the many numerous allied airmen that were trained at Canadian airfields. One pilot flying a bomber can cause a lot more damage than hundreds of infantry troops.

I do not think that many people in my country would be comfortable answering this question. We like to think that American ass kickers went all over the globe kicking Axis ass,and thats how we won the war. Now do not get me wrong. I am very proud of the job that American fighting men did during the war.However I firmly believe that American industrial output had a lot to do with the Allied war effort. Were our Shermen tanks better than the Germans or Russians? No. But we were able to turn out many more tanks than the enemy,and win a battle of attrition. Same with our bombers,and our Higgins boats. American factories had a LOT to do with the Allied victory. All of the allies depended on American factories to help win the war. If the U.S. was still a farming country in 1939, the Allies would probaly have lost the war.

I am sure that Canadians would like to see thier exploits in the Atlantic,Normandy,Italy, The Battle of Britain,the Netherlands, etc. as the turning points of the war. I am not taking anything away from these brave fighting men. They performed admirabily. I am asking how much did the allied flight training programs contribute to the war? How much did the ship building programs contribute to the war effort? How much did the factories in Windsor contribute to the war effort? I do not want to do someone's homework for them, but I am curious as to how much the Canadian industrial and training efforts helped win the war. It is a very underreported story outside of canada. Your thoughts?


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Homework, yeah?


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The question stated by Kimo999 is a valid one. Was the training of Allied airmen at Canadian airfields, and the production of war material in Canadian factories of greater service to the Allied war effort than Canadian fighting men abroad?


167,000 people went through the BCATP, from many countries. Half were Canadian.
You can find graves of Canadian airmen from Sardinia to Yokohama and everywhere in between.



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Most of the news about the Canadian war effort would deal with the Battle of the Atlantic. I could find the most articles about the RCN performing escort duty in the Battle of the Atlantic.


PA9 is right, the Battle of the Atlantic is the one theatre where Canada's contribution was
very important, in fact, Canada had command of the theatre from 1943.




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The second most articles would be about Canadian troops during D-Day. Third would be the liberation of the Netherlands.


We got the farthest penetration on D-Day, something to be proud about.
And the Dutch have never forgotten our contribution to them, and I think
most Canadians are happy about that. A small matter, perhaps, in the Great Scheme
of Things, but a focal point for us to Remember, because the Battle of the Atlantic
remains mostly forgotten.


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I do not think that many people in my country would be comfortable answering this question. We like to think that American ass kickers went all over the globe kicking Axis ass,and thats how we won the war. Now do not get me wrong. I am very proud of the job that American fighting men did during the war.However I firmly believe that American industrial output had a lot to do with the Allied war effort. Were our Shermen tanks better than the Germans or Russians? No. But we were able to turn out many more tanks than the enemy,and win a battle of attrition. Same with our bombers,and our Higgins boats. American factories had a LOT to do with the Allied victory. All of the allies depended on American factories to help win the war. If the U.S. was still a farming country in 1939, the Allies would probaly have lost the war.

I am sure that Canadians would like to see thier exploits in the Atlantic,Normandy,Italy, The Battle of Britain,the Netherlands, etc. as the turning points of the war.


Actually, I am sure most knowledgeable Canadians recognize our contributions
weren't really strong turning points, with the footnote of the Atlantic being
damn important. Without it, men, weapons, materiel and food would not have arrived
in Britain.


20 million dead Russians, US industrial output and 2 nuclear bombs were turning points.


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I am not taking anything away from these brave fighting men. They performed admirabily.



I usually approach this debate with this idea:

The UK had limited conscription in 1939, full conscription by 1942.
The US started the draft even in 1940, before they entered.

Canada was able to avoid this until 1944, had an election about it,
didnt fully implement it, and even then conscripts were used for Home Defense,
freeing up volunteers for active duty.

The number of conscripted soldiers dying in the European Theatre of Operations
was about ..................... 75.


During the war, Canada had a population of 11 million.
We put 1.1 million people into uniform, about 10% of our population;
per capita these are similar percentages as other countries (for example
the US contribution was about 12%).

We gave as good as anyone else.







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I am asking how much did the allied flight training programs contribute to the war? How much did the ship building programs contribute to the war effort? How much did the factories in Windsor contribute to the war effort? I do not want to do someone's homework for them, but I am curious as to how much the Canadian industrial and training efforts helped win the war. It is a very underreported story outside of canada. Your thoughts?



BCATP was not only in Canada, but we were the largest program.

Canada had the world's 3rd largest navy at the end of the war, mostly Canadian made.
But don't get me started on Canadian shipyards, I get real unhappy real quick.
We kicked in 800,000 trucks as well.
40% of all the aluminum the war used.
95% of all the nickel.

p.s. I think it's pretty underreported inside Canada as well. ;)


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I think someone with the time and knowledge should write an essay for him, but put about 5 crucial errors in it. Make him do the research to figure out what the errors are.

That's a great idea! :lol:
The last line could be.............and that's how Germany and Japan won the war and why we drive VW and Nissans. 8O


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Easy answer. The war front. Not gonna write an essay about it though. Just gonna explain my answer in four words; Battle of the Atlantic.

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You must be a land stoker! 8O


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 6:42 am
 


Unsound wrote:
I think someone with the time and knowledge should write an essay for him, but put about 5 crucial errors in it. Make him do the research to figure out what the errors are.



That assumes the teacher knows better.


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Gunnair wrote:
That assumes the teacher knows better.

In some cases ...unfortunately true.


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Gunnair wrote:
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I think someone with the time and knowledge should write an essay for him, but put about 5 crucial errors in it. Make him do the research to figure out what the errors are.



That assumes the teacher knows better.


Hell, the teacher might give him extra props for insight. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 2:32 pm
 


The teacher probably thinks we were peace-keeping during WW2! 8O


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 3:38 pm
 


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