[OhGarfield]

about the Maher Arar case:

this guy immigrated to Canada from Syria, but he still retained Syrian citizenship. (that was his personal choice, because he could have renounced the Syrian citizenship when he became a Canadian. he chose not to, which shows he still love Syria and actually he still went back to live there, or vist, whatever.)

it was the United States who arrested him, not Canada.
US government deported him back to Syria, was that wrong?
no. that was very correct practice.
because Arar was coming to US from Syria and he was a Syrian citizen!
it is natural to deport a person back to where he came from and where he holds citizenship!

the Syrian government detained him, because he was a terrorist suspect.
if you were a murder suspect, let me ask you, will the RCMP detain you before you are tried here in Canada?
what makes it so different that the Syrian government can not detain a crime suspect? especially when Arar was a Syrian citizen?

after he returned to Canada, he said he was tortured in Syria. everything was 'he said'. can he prove he was really tortured? there are no evidences and people think he looks fine, there are no scars etc. on his body.

even if he was really tortured, shouldn't the Syrian government be held responsible? to this date, the US still maintains him on a watchlist. we wasn't convicted because of lack of clear evidence, but that doesn't mean people can not continue to suspect him.

i can't agree with the 10.5 million dollars paid by Canadian government to this person. totally unacceptable.

that 10.5 million came from the Canadian tax payers. the Canadian public were made to pay for something they have never done wrong.
can anyone tell me why?
why should the Canadians pay such a big money to Arar?

even if it is true that, it was said, that some Canadian official released information to US authority and which caused his arrest.

even if some Canadian official sent wrong information, it was his personal fault.
that official should be held responsible for his mistake. that one should be punished in appropriate ways.

not all the Canadian tax payers.

[llama66]

LightStarr wrote:

OhGarfield wrote:

it is true that everything has an origin. it is true that even the first nations might have immigrated here from Asia. but then, where did the Asians come from? Africa? then, where did the Africans come from? some Alien planet out of the solar system?

everything has a starting point and an ending point, nothing lasts forever, even your life.

immigration is a small issue as compared with life.
it is really not a big deal.
it started somewhere in the history, it may end somewhere in the history.
that is it.

You're running yourself in circles here. You do realize this right? First Immigration was this huge problem, to you, that had to be stopped immediately and now it "is not really a big deal"? You need to make up your mind, find an argument and stick with it.

As for first nations. It went like this. Apes to homo-erectus, homo-erectus to homosapian and from there it went this way. Africa to Asia Minor, Asia Minor to both Europe and Asia Major, Asia Major across the Bering Strait to North America. North America to South America. Not aliens. And this was all done long, long before anyone could have ever conceived of an "immigration policy" as we know it today.

I believe we have found the last of the Australopithecus afarensis.

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somebody said that Canada is built on immigration, and that immigration seems to be Canada's ultimate value. it is laughable.

were are you from Lazy Cat? what is your heritage?

[llama66]

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this guy immigrated to Canada from Syria, but he still retained Syrian citizenship. (that was his personal choice, because he could have renounced the Syrian citizenship when he became a Canadian. he chose not to, which shows he still love Syria and actually he still went back to live there, or vist, whatever.)

it was the United States who arrested him, not Canada.
US government deported him back to Syria, was that wrong?
no. that was very correct practice.
because Arar was coming to US from Syria and he was a Syrian citizen!
it is natural to deport a person back to where he came from and where he holds citizenship!

Ummm... yeah... Maher Arar was a dual citizen, which meant he held both Canadian and Syrian Passports, it also means once again, your wrong. remember what I told you about reading? try it, you may like it. (and no, mad magazine is not acceptable, nor is a colouring book)(Clifford the big red dog is, however acceptable)

[llama66]

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it is like saying: my body is built upon food, my ultimate goal in life is to seek food, stock food. food and eating is my ultimate dream. then how do you define obesity?

when you have a BMI of over 30.

[OhGarfield]

irresponsible immigration is an insult to Canadians.

especially in a time when Canadians are losing jobs.
if there are much-desired job openings, the government is not thinking about how to make these jobs accessable to Canadians, they are thinking about how to give them to foreigners!

we don't need traitors to rule over us!

[cougar]

OhGarfield wrote:

Yes, I've seen this country, it is already developed, there is no need for further development, therefore no need for more people, unless if you want to reduce it to a developing country.

It is big, but most of it is useless land near the arctic.
Why do most the people live close to the US border?

Think Greenland.
Is Greenland big? Does it have an immigration system? Answer me.

Do you envy China? Even if you do, they didn't get their population through immigration though.

The Chinese Communists actually exploit their big population like slaves. Many common Chinese labourers work 16 hours a day, risking their lives in their 'mining industry', getting environment polluted so badly, burning so much fossil fuel in transporting goods across oceans to Wal Marts etc., till Arctic Ice started melting. I guess this may not be something you want.

I have to agree with you on all points, except one - the country is not being sold cheaply - $300,000 for an old wooden shack is quite a price.

Japan will simply have no room for more people so they cannot make money the way Canada does.

But this is how I see the answers to your main question - WHY?:

1. Every immigrant has to bring $10,000 to Canada and spend it before he/she moves on or dies, in the latter case fertilizing the sacred place like a decaying salmon.
(Immigrants are not known to breed successfully in Canada, they just die)

2. If you have 2 jobs but one worker, the 2 companies will have to bid on this worker, increasing their wages to the maximum they can pay, to get him/her. If, on the other hand you end up with 2 workers and one job, the workers will have to reduce their rates to the bare survival level, so that one of them gets the job and the other one moves on. Then the government will bring another competitor from abroad to keep the stress on people and keep them close to the poverty level.

3. It is easier to manage economy when it "grows" like a tumor and much harder to keep it at one sustainable level. Then imagine what it must be like to be the boss of Rogers cable, RBC, Bell, Air Canada etc knowing that your customers will be 250,000 more the next year, and that you can pocket a few thousan dollars from every single one of them! It must be temptiing, to an extent that you may want to have the "right" immigration minister in power.

I too want to make changes looking at my wasted years in this country, but as long as people are willing to accept their ordeal keeping their heads low, no good will ever come around.

(Thanks for expressing a very good opinion, though it may be found unpopular)