[desertdude]

I've had my mind made up for so long about moving to Canada, but after some lenghty and sometime a bit heated argument with me other half. I was forced to look into Australia as another viable option to move.

I tried to fight my case but eventualy lost on these cruical points.

First being the pay scale in OZ vs Canada is much better. Looked up almost every online source in regards to that. Since she is the primary applicant in both cases. In her field of work Canada offers 40 to 60k per year. While in OZ it starts at 60 70k ish. (Chartered Accountant)

One of the other biggest deal breakers. Credential regocnition, in OZ most of her creds are recognised, through previous affliations. So basicaly just mail in your stuff and viola. While in Canada on a minimum would take 2 to 3 years with additional studies and examinations. Also all previous experience is disregarded. While in OZ its considered a comparable labour market and accepted. So to quote brock we would land on our feet running.

Also the process is much simpler, faster processing times basicaly less hoops to jump through. I can go into many more technicalities but I'll spare you all.

Also weather. Although I hate hot and sunny can't say I love -40 either ! Plus the Mrs is shivering here when its 30 C outside ( our winter ) I think she'll turn into a popsicle when she'll step off the plane.

I really don't like(i.e: don't know much about ) Oz that much but it is hard to just go with gut feelings ! Cars are very expensive and they drive on the wrong side of the road !!! Plus I feel I'm more Americanized the Ozzified !

Help my make my case for Canada to Mrs DD as why Canada is the more awesomest option.

P.S : Seems like Ozzies are not very active online. Can't find a single non immgration CKA type Australian forum ! The one I did find was to "protect the identity of white Australians, white and proud"

[Bruce_the_vii]

The credentials recognition are rather important. If the process in OZ is workable you can't beat that. Chartered Accounting is regulated here in Canada and it's difficult for the Charter Accounting association to pass judgement on applicants from around the world. Getting in isn't that easy so if you see an opportunity don't miss the boat. The skills list the Immigration Canada is accepting doesn't mention Chartered Accountants but does list ◦1122 Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management

[Curtman]

desertdude wrote:

Also weather. Although I hate hot and sunny can't say I love -40 either ! Plus the Mrs is shivering here when its 30 C outside ( our winter ) I think she'll turn into a popsicle when she'll step off the plane.

I've never been to Australia, but I think the decision is simple.

Diversity of our land, people, and seasons makes this the best place to live in the world.

Summer:



Winter:


-40 isn't so bad. You just have to dress for it.

[ASLplease]

Desertdude, I hear that the left wing head up your arse attitude is far more prevalent in Australia compared to Canada. What do you make of it? Does it concern you?

[Chumley]

Australia has Koala Bears.
We have Polar Bears.

Edge: Canada

[desertdude]

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

The credentials recognition are rather important. If the process in OZ is workable you can't beat that. Chartered Accounting is regulated here in Canada and it's difficult for the Charter Accounting association to pass judgement on applicants from around the world. Getting in isn't that easy so if you see an opportunity don't miss the boat. The skills list the Immigration Canada is accepting doesn't mention Chartered Accountants but does list ◦1122 Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management

Yeah I looked into CGA (Certified General Accountants Association of Canada) and nothing is regocnised. Could do a course here and get ACCA membership and then do a further two courses in Canadian Law and Taxation and the maybe get CGA membership. But even after all that time and money invested those haunting stories of failed prospects due to lack of "Canadian Experience" are hard to ignore.

While in OZ it would be simply the matter of sending in your papers and getting membership at CPAA ot ICAA. And since work experience is from a regocnised labour market, that solves that problem, I know right of the bat it would be hard to get something good but over a little time prospects look bright. 130k to 150k is not unheard of for an experienced CA. ( Means I could retire and become a kept man ) just kidding though.

Pretty hard deal to beat

And thanks curt, it does snow in Australia, enough to have a good ski season. Yeah tell me about it, even I didn't know about that until sometime back !

[Yogi]

For 3 days of the year!

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The other 362 1/4 days of the year = piss-poor skiing!

[desertdude]

ASLplease wrote:

Desertdude, I hear that the left wing head up your arse attitude is far more prevalent in Australia compared to Canada. What do you make of it? Does it concern you?

Like I said sometime back ASL in the other thread, I don't even know what left wing is ( or right for that matter ) ? So really can't comment on that.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

I think it's important to also look at cost of living differences. Housing, gasoline, food, utilities etc. Also proximity to services without having to live in a bloated, overpopulated big city.
Canada also doesn't have big furry insects that can kill you or carry you off for dining upon later. Well, except for the mosquitos in the Yukon

There are only 4 species or pit viper in Canada but rattlesnake bites in Canada are extremely rare.
We have no spiders that can kill you except for the Black Widow spider. Again, bites are extremely rare and no one has died from a bite in Canada in many years.
Western Canada has never had a recorded death from one.

Winters can be cold but if you stay out of Southern Ontario you can dress for them.
Canadian scenery is fucking EPIC!!!
The stark beauty of the East Coast. The architecture of Quebec City. The party life in Montreal, the boreal forest and the Canadian Shield. The vast plains of the central prairies. The incredible majesty of the Canadian Rockies. The lush rainforests of Canada's West Coast.
The fishing.
The hunting.
Snowmobiles.
Hockey.
Maple syrup.

[desertdude]

Yogi wrote:

For 3 days of the year!

The other 362 1/4 days of the year = piss-poor skiing!

LOOOL !

I still can't get the image out of my head, when I went to pick up my friend at the airport. He had landed as a PR and after 6 days decided to leave due to the extreme cold. This was somwhere in 2002.

I helped him unpack and just seeing the winter gear made me scrunch.


Seriously how bad is it out there. How many months can you just survive with a light jacket and without shoveling your drive way in the southern cities

[PublicAnimalNo9]

desertdude wrote:

Yogi wrote:

For 3 days of the year!

The other 362 1/4 days of the year = piss-poor skiing!

LOOOL !

I still can't get the image out of my head, when I went to pick up my friend at the airport. He had landed as a PR and after 6 days decided to leave due to the extreme cold. This was somwhere in 2002.

I helped him unpack and just seeing the winter gear made me scrunch.


Seriously how bad is it out there. How many months can you just survive with a light jacket and without shoveling your drive way in the southern cities

Southern Ontario doesn't get much snow but 10-15 below here is about the same as 30-40 below anywhere else in Canada. From about April through October the temps are reasonable. Summer can be very hot and humid. That's also why it's colder in the winter too, the humidity never leaves.

[EyeBrock]

Plenty of people from warm climes have hacked it very well over here. I'm not a huge fan of winter but the standard of living is higher in Canada than in Australia. You get more for your buck here.

I also think that mainstream Canada, as in the ones actually born here, are much more accepting of new cultures, diversity and all that than the Aussies are.

The weather is better, I will have that.

[Chumley]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

I think it's important to also look at cost of living differences. Housing, gasoline, food, utilities etc. Also proximity to services without having to live in a bloated, overpopulated big city.
Canada also doesn't have big furry insects that can kill you or carry you off for dining upon later. Well, except for the mosquitos in the Yukon

There are only 4 species or pit viper in Canada but rattlesnake bites in Canada are extremely rare.
We have no spiders that can kill you except for the Black Widow spider. Again, bites are extremely rare and no one has died from a bite in Canada in many years.
Western Canada has never had a recorded death from one.

Winters can be cold but if you stay out of Southern Ontario you can dress for them.
Canadian scenery is fucking EPIC!!!
The stark beauty of the East Coast. The architecture of Quebec City. The party life in Montreal, the boreal forest and the Canadian Shield. The vast plains of the central prairies. The incredible majesty of the Canadian Rockies. The lush rainforests of Canada's West Coast.
The fishing.
The hunting.
Snowmobiles.
Hockey.
Maple syrup.

Lotsa' beaver.

[Brenda]

desertdude wrote:

Yogi wrote:

For 3 days of the year!

The other 362 1/4 days of the year = piss-poor skiing!

LOOOL !

I still can't get the image out of my head, when I went to pick up my friend at the airport. He had landed as a PR and after 6 days decided to leave due to the extreme cold. This was somwhere in 2002.

I helped him unpack and just seeing the winter gear made me scrunch.


Seriously how bad is it out there. How many months can you just survive with a light jacket and without shoveling your drive way in the southern cities

I was walking outside in only a sweater and jeans with -7.
Depends on where you are. -7 in the mountains is nice, -7 near the lakes is COLD!!!

[desertdude]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

I think it's important to also look at cost of living differences. Housing, gasoline, food, utilities etc. Also proximity to services without having to live in a bloated, overpopulated big city.
Canada also doesn't have big furry insects that can kill you or carry you off for dining upon later. Well, except for the mosquitos in the Yukon

There are only 4 species or pit viper in Canada but rattlesnake bites in Canada are extremely rare.
We have no spiders that can kill you except for the Black Widow spider. Again, bites are extremely rare and no one has died from a bite in Canada in many years.
Western Canada has never had a recorded death from one.

Winters can be cold but if you stay out of Southern Ontario you can dress for them.
Canadian scenery is fucking EPIC!!!
The stark beauty of the East Coast. The architecture of Quebec City. The party life in Montreal, the boreal forest and the Canadian Shield. The vast plains of the central prairies. The incredible majesty of the Canadian Rockies. The lush rainforests of Canada's West Coast.

I've looked into the cost of living aswell and generally its a wee bit expensive, Gas is almost the same as Canada. Rents in the bigger cities are a bit higher and things like groceries are a bit expensive mostly due to its far off location and most stuff has to be imported and shipping adds to cost, but I;ve heard if you stick to local made stuff your good. But dunno anything about Oz quality. But again all this is offset by the higher pay scales. Again my biggest I dunno concern is cars ! They are so fekin' expensive. Even old jalopies ! And did I mention they drive on the wrong side of the road.

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Canadian scenery is fucking EPIC!!!

I know man, being an outdoorsy dude I got a hard on just by seing some of the pics ! But Australia is not bad in its own brown and beige sort of way. Only plus I can think of they have a big 4x4 offroading scene, but did I memtion how expensive cars were and how they drive on the wrong side !