[SprCForr]

Thanos wrote:

It also presents the opportunity to hit the highway, drink like khaki-clad fishies, and rip up Medicine Hat some more when the lads get some downtime. Take some of the Brit goons along and make the Vancouver riots look like a gaywad convention by comparison.

Oh man, those were the days!

The troops can't drink when deployed anymore even if it's only an exercise. That stuff is in the past now.

[Bacardi4206]

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Bacardi4206 wrote:

If I was a soldier in war, I'd like some comfort from time to time. Would be nice to have something to change the pace from the shit but not on a constant basis. If you are given too much luxuries, I'd imagine you would keep realizing of your shitty situation and living conditions. Like how probally most soldiers feel being deployed from there comfortable homes to the frontlines of Afghanistan. When you live in luxury, you get use to it. When you get into non-luxury, you always realize how shit it is. I'd imagine if you were a soldier, you'd be better off living longer without a regular reminder of how luxurious things can be. That way you can atleast get use to it and not have it bother you as much but what do I know

Maybe for the first month or so of tour, but otherwise you got it ass-backwards. Just knowing we would be going back to the FOB and our air conditioned rooms in X number of days was enough to give us the drive to finish off an OP cycle in 60+ degree heat.

Air Conditioning is fine, as I stated soldiers need some luxuries just to get a break from all the shit. As in Afghanistan, all that heat and walking around. A nice cold shower, air conditioning, a good meal and a nice bed to sleep in for a couple days before you go out again sounds good. As well as the ability to recieve some e-mails from family and respond to them. My only point was that these luxuries shouldn't be a common thing or too overly luxurious.

It is sort of like depression, there are two kinds of depression. One is constant and one spikes. Spikes being most days you are severely depressed than you got good days where your depression ceases to almost exist. The spiking one is known to be the worst and cause the most suicides because those people who have it are on the constant reminder of how shitty depression is because they get good days than have to go back to there days of depression on a constant basis. Those with constant depression get use to it eventually and it doesn't bother them as much as it use to.

Point being, as shitty as being in the frontlines of Afghanistan must be. Wearing all that shit, carrying all that heavy load and walking everything in extreme heat. Everybody smelling god awful. I'd rather be the guy that was use to it than the spoiled guy who constantly gets a reminder of how luxurious life can be than get thrown back into the shit. Just my opinion, not a factual arguement.

[Canadian_Mind]

Bacardi4206 wrote:

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Bacardi4206 wrote:

If I was a soldier in war, I'd like some comfort from time to time. Would be nice to have something to change the pace from the shit but not on a constant basis. If you are given too much luxuries, I'd imagine you would keep realizing of your shitty situation and living conditions. Like how probally most soldiers feel being deployed from there comfortable homes to the frontlines of Afghanistan. When you live in luxury, you get use to it. When you get into non-luxury, you always realize how shit it is. I'd imagine if you were a soldier, you'd be better off living longer without a regular reminder of how luxurious things can be. That way you can atleast get use to it and not have it bother you as much but what do I know

Maybe for the first month or so of tour, but otherwise you got it ass-backwards. Just knowing we would be going back to the FOB and our air conditioned rooms in X number of days was enough to give us the drive to finish off an OP cycle in 60+ degree heat.

Air Conditioning is fine, as I stated soldiers need some luxuries just to get a break from all the shit. As in Afghanistan, all that heat and walking around. A nice cold shower, air conditioning, a good meal and a nice bed to sleep in for a couple days before you go out again sounds good. As well as the ability to recieve some e-mails from family and respond to them. My only point was that these luxuries shouldn't be a common thing or too overly luxurious.

It is sort of like depression, there are two kinds of depression. One is constant and one spikes. Spikes being most days you are severely depressed than you got good days where your depression ceases to almost exist. The spiking one is known to be the worst and cause the most suicides because those people who have it are on the constant reminder of how shitty depression is because they get good days than have to go back to there days of depression on a constant basis. Those with constant depression get use to it eventually and it doesn't bother them as much as it use to.

Point being, as shitty as being in the frontlines of Afghanistan must be. Wearing all that shit, carrying all that heavy load and walking everything in extreme heat. Everybody smelling god awful. I'd rather be the guy that was use to it than the spoiled guy who constantly gets a reminder of how luxurious life can be than get thrown back into the shit. Just my opinion, not a factual arguement.

As a guy who's been there, I'll take whatever luxuries I get, whenever I can get em, regardless of whether I lose them later or not. I'm not going to intentionally make myself suffer when I know better options are out there, for the sake of avoiding the shock of going from luxuries back to eating shit.

I used to think the same way as you, not anymore.

[EyeBrock]

That's because you have that t-shirt CM.

I think those of us who have spent weeks or months in shitty places see the flaws in Christie Blatchford's article.

[Canadian_Mind]

Honestly, training in fucking Suffield, Wainwright, and California beat the snot out of the real deal. Afghanistan, as shitty as it was, was a blast compared to the BATUS, NTC, and whatever the hell the acronym for Wainwright was. I'd sooner spend 6 months in the sandbox then 6 weeks in either of those places (only 2 in Wainwright).

And you know what, I hate pulling out the t-shirt, cause i had it done to me all the time before I went over. But now I see why too.

[SprCForr]

That's the whole idea isn't it?

Wainwright got tiring particularly if you had to deal with a Base agency. Even when part of the permanent staff it was just plain exhausting. B Supply or Ammo Section in particular. Range Control too if you were the station that had to maintain contact. But for just plain old tear it up scraps, Wainwright was pretty good.

Suffield on the other hand... yaaaaaakkkkkk!

[Canadian_Mind]

Are you kidding me? Cold Weather aside, Suffield was a lot more fun. Did a lot of live combined arms exercises we didn't get to do in Wain or NTC. Having A-10's, CF-18s, Apache's, M-777s, and Leopards all putting rounds down range on the same trace, all directed by my c/s was fucking amazing.

[SprCForr]

That's the one attraction for Suffield, the live fire. But if you ain't shooting anything, then Wx beats it hands down. Of course the days of having B-52's do a run in Wainwright are long gone.

The manoeuvre trace took a beating when they basically closed off Range 16/25. That took the centre out big time. They're looking at acquiring land to the south and east to re-create a proper corridor linking the Saville/Rocky Ford Battle River area with the annex south of Park Farm. Just not enough space south of Blue.

One Brigade in the Orange/NW part, one at Circle Route and away you go!

[Canadian_Mind]

Environmental concerns?

[SprCForr]

Agh, forget about them! In practical terms, it isn't a concern really, but an empire got built out of it and it's well entrenched now.

Darryl was the guy, never did like him what with his beady eyes and all.