[hwacker]

Streaker wrote:

Nevermind the Canadian angle, then. Are you not bothered when soldiers of any nation kill civilians?

I care for my country, I live in Canada unlike you who lives in UN and is a citizen of the world.

Move to Europe, Please I’m sure we could take a fund CKA here to help with the moving costs.

[Terence]

The Airborne were scapegoats for a rot in senior command, and in the political officers at the very top.

A very large number in JTF-2 expansion came out of Airborne.

Remember how the CBC initially claimed it was white supremest action that killed Arone? Funny that neither perpetrator was even white.

Hedy Fryish before her Crosses Burning BS.

[Streaker]

InternetChatter wrote:

The Airborne were scapegoats for a rot in senior command, and in the political officers at the very top.

Wrong. The rot went from top to bottom. Keep in mind incidents like the torching of officers' cars in the middle of the night, the beheading of a civilian somewhere near Petawawa (more disturbing was the fact that this incident was a source of ongoing amusement to members of the Airborne for some time afterwards), the flying of the Confederate flag in barracks etc...

InternetChatter wrote:

Remember how the CBC initially claimed it was white supremest action that killed Arone? Funny that neither perpetrator was even white.

Less funny is the fact that there was a known white supremacist element within the Airborne, and all the "good guys" turned a blind eye to it.

We needed, and continue to need, a few Winter Soldiers of our own.

[roger-roger]

Streaker you have to stop spinning yourself into a frenzy about this stuff.

Why do you think Canadian and American soldiers are anything alike?

[Terence]

You sound like one of the hateful anti-military types who think armies are composed of stupid, uneducated, neo-nazis.


I have seen few Canadians who actually contemplate what their role in society is the way military members do. The number who read philosophy,political books, and the heady issues while on missions is far greater than civilian society, for sure.

Your stereotype sounds no different than a 1950's Alabaman talking about Negroes.

[Streaker]

I don't necessarily think Canadian and American soldiers are anything alike, but I sure as hell hope they aren't.

Considering how much time you guys spend with your American buddies, though, there has to be an influence.

[HyperionTheEvil]

Streaker wrote:

Some fascinating reading here:

Quote:

Winter Soldier on the Hill: War Vets Testify Before Congress

War veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan came to Capitol Hill earlier this year to testify before Congress and give an eyewitness account about the horrors of war. Like the Winter Soldier hearings in March, when more than 200 service members gathered for four days in Silver Spring, Maryland to give their eyewitness accounts of the injustices occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan, “Winter Soldier on the Hill” was designed to drive home the human cost of the war and occupation—this time, to the very people in charge of doing something about it.

Link to full article

I'm not sure what your point is.

Wars are big ugly things and terrible things happen, and yes war crimes occur, even on our side. We have civillian and militray justice to rectify such things. And even then if those dont work we have commsions to have a public inquiry.

[HyperionTheEvil]

Streaker wrote:

I don't necessarily think Canadian and American soldiers are anything alike, but I sure as hell hope they aren't.

Considering how much time you guys spend with your American buddies, though, there has to be an influence.

Are you saying that Americans are the root of the problem?


Be very careful here

[Streaker]

InternetChatter wrote:

You sound like one of the hateful anti-military types who think armies are composed of stupid, uneducated, neo-nazis.


I have seen few Canadians who actually contemplate what their role in society is the way military members do. The number who read philosophy,political books, and the heady issues while on missions is far greater than civilian society, for sure.

Your stereotype sounds no different than a 1950's Alabaman talking about Negroes.

You're a funny one.

I believe civilians like myself have a responsibility to keep our military in line. We've seen what can happen when they are given a free hand, and it ain't pretty.

And spare me this "army guys are just a bunch of misunderstood intellectuals" baloney, please.

[roger-roger]

Streaker wrote:

I don't necessarily think Canadian and American soldiers are anything alike, but I sure as hell hope they aren't.

Considering how much time you guys spend with your American buddies, though, there has to be an influence.

I dont get to spend any time with Americans really, when I had my tour the only time I really got to know Americans was for about two hours when we rescued them from a fuck up of theirs. For the most part our military doctrine is completely different, hell we even pronounce LAV different. Americans spell it out phonically L-A-Vs, where as Canadians just say it as one word Lav. I really think you should spend a summer with a reserve unit, get a feel for what the military is really like. You might have fun.

[HyperionTheEvil]

Streaker wrote:

I believe civilians like myself have a responsibility to keep our military in line.

so why dont you expand on that, you seem to feel very strongly about this

what are you exact details for this plan?

[Streaker]

HyperionTheEvil wrote:

Streaker wrote:

I don't necessarily think Canadian and American soldiers are anything alike, but I sure as hell hope they aren't.

Considering how much time you guys spend with your American buddies, though, there has to be an influence.

Are you saying that Americans are the root of the problem?


Be very careful here

Canadian military personnel spend too much time hanging with their American counterparts for it not to be a problem.

[Terence]

Actually you have no business thinking you have any responsibility for the military.

They are subject to political controls, which thankfully operate under security blankets with representatives from all four political parties in session away from petty politics.

Commit manslaughter while in uniform and find out what a prison should be like.

Civilian prisons you can get out with as little as a year of pre trial custody for killing someone.

No one should ever be stupid enough to compare military to civilian justice.

[Streaker]

Eisensapper wrote:

Streaker wrote:

I don't necessarily think Canadian and American soldiers are anything alike, but I sure as hell hope they aren't.

Considering how much time you guys spend with your American buddies, though, there has to be an influence.

I dont get to spend any time with Americans really, when I had my tour the only time I really got to know Americans was for about two hours when we rescued them from a fuck up of theirs. For the most part our military doctrine is completely different, hell we even pronounce LAV different. Americans spell it out phonically L-A-Vs, where as Canadians just say it as one word Lav. I really think you should spend a summer with a reserve unit, get a feel for what the military is really like. You might have fun.

Oh well. At least there are differences in pronunciation.

[roger-roger]

Streaker wrote:

HyperionTheEvil wrote:

Streaker wrote:

I don't necessarily think Canadian and American soldiers are anything alike, but I sure as hell hope they aren't.

Considering how much time you guys spend with your American buddies, though, there has to be an influence.

Are you saying that Americans are the root of the problem?


Be very careful here

Canadian military personnel spend too much time hanging with their American counterparts for it not to be a problem.

I dont know why you think the Canadian Military and the American Military are joined at the hip. We have good relations but I saw more Aussies and Brits at the Canadian hangouts then I did Americans.

HyperionTheEvil you should read more of Streakers earlier posts to see what his opinion on the militaries are.