[Streaker]

InternetChatter wrote:

Actually you have no business thinking you have an responsibility for the military.

They are subject to political controls, which thankfully operate under security blankets with representatives from all four political parties in session away from petty politics.

Commit manslaughter while in uniform and find out what a prison should be like.

Civilian prisons you can get out with as little as a year of pre trial custody for killing someone.

No one should ever be stupid enough to compare military to civilian justice.

Are you seriously saying we should just blindly trust our politicians to do the right thing?!?

It's everyone's responsibility to keep an eye on what armed men are doing on their behalf. To believe otherwise is sheer idiocy.

[roger-roger]

InternetChatter wrote:

Actually you have no business thinking you have any responsibility for the military.

They are subject to political controls, which thankfully operate under security blankets with representatives from all four political parties in session away from petty politics.

Commit manslaughter while in uniform and find out what a prison should be like.

Civilian prisons you can get out with as little as a year of pre trial custody for killing someone.

No one should ever be stupid enough to compare military to civilian justice.

Actually if a soldier murders someone they are sent to a civilan correctional facility. The same is for any major offence. If the trial is in civilian court then the sentance is carried out by the civilian legal system.

[ridenrain]

Another crap-tastic topic from Streaker.
You go, girl.

[InternetChatter]

Eisensapper wrote:

Actually if a soldier murders someone they are sent to a civilan correctional facility. The same is for any major offence. If the trial is in civilian court then the sentance is carried out by the civilian legal system.

But if you are tried and convicted for an offense, while in uniform - in action, and tried by the military (which is what I meant - sorry) you are sentenced to military sentencing guidelines, not civilian, correct?

[roger-roger]

Your asking that if a guy overseas murders someone while outside the wire?

[roger-roger]

Right I asked an expert on the subject and you cannot spend longer than 2 years +1 day in a military jail. So if a soldier is charged with any offence longer than that he is transfered to a civilian correctional facility. Depending on what the crime is DND can wave the member from going to Military Jail completely and send him straight to a civilain correctional facility, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

DND does have a seperate criminal code, but it mirrors civilian law in almost all cases. Also if any part of the DND criminal code is lacking, Civilian laws will be substituted. (ie Driving while impared is not in the DND criminal code, so the Civilian Criminal code is used)

[llama66]

Interesting, I had always thought Canada had a military prison al la Fort Leavenworth. Thanks for that.

[roger-roger]

We do in Edmonton, but its not intened for long term incarseration. There is no need for it. Most people go to "Club Ed" for a few months or less.

[llama66]

hmm... This may come as a surprise, but once upon a time I applied to the Forces to become a MP, but I decided against it as I was/am too big (read fat).

[roger-roger]

If you really want to do it, you should re-apply the miliary is in dire need of many trades, one of which is MP.

[llama66]

dude, I'm like 340+ (I don't really know...) lbs, I guess I'm making excuses, I want to lose some (alot) of wieght, and drop to 240ish, as I know basic will help with losing the final 20 or lbs. In my current form I'm useless, I may need surgery to reattach some ligaments and tendons in my foot. So first off I want to get healthy before I think military. but thanks for the encouragement Eisensapper.

[roger-roger]

Np man

[StuntmanMike]

I'm not so sure about your post there Streaker.

Gilbert and Sullivan once famously said, "The policemen's lot is not a happy one."

It seems to me, the same goes for soldiers.

Soldiers have been known to complain about things for centuries. In fact, if I recall my classical training in university correctly, it was common for Roman Legionaries in the time of Christ to gripe about their lot in life.

Soldiers have a right to do so. They have a tough job. Tougher than what I do every day, that's for sure.

But we need to take what they say with a grain of salt. I'm not about to put alot of faith in every gripe I hear from some 24 year old, pissed off Marine who just got out of the Corps. Yeah, there were probably abuses, but reading his story, there was also a fair bit of whining in it.

I'm reminded of this poem, written by Rudyard Kipling, about Afghanistan, a century ago;


You may talk of gin and beer
When you're stationed way out here
An' you're sent to penny fights an' Aldershot it ain't
But when it comes to slaughter
You will do your work for water
An' you'll lick the boots of 'im that's got it
Now in Inja's sunny clime
Where today I spend my time
Servin' her Majesty the Queen

[Streaker]

StuntmanMike wrote:

I'm not so sure about your post there Streaker.

Gilbert and Sullivan once famously said, "The policemen's lot is not a happy one."

It seems to me, the same goes for soldiers.

Soldiers have been known to complain about things for centuries. In fact, if I recall my classical training in university correctly, it was common for Roman Legionaries in the time of Christ to gripe about their lot in life.

Soldiers have a right to do so. They have a tough job. Tougher than what I do every day, that's for sure.

But we need to take what they say with a grain of salt. I'm not about to put alot of faith in every gripe I hear from some 24 year old, pissed off Marine who just got out of the Corps. Yeah, there were probably abuses, but reading his story, there was also a fair bit of whining in it.

Fine, but maybe you should also take the official line as parroted by the pro-war clan with a grain of salt as well.

[ShepherdsDog]

ridenrain wrote:

Another crap-tastic topic from Streaker.
You go, girl.

Really RR could you expect anything more of him? If anything he's consistent.