[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

Oh for Christ's sakes. Learn to read or at least get some comprehension skills.
The amounts that were posted by the OP are a hoax.
To repeat: Bill C-428 applies only to SOME immigrant seniors from countries that ALREADY DO THE SAME FOR CANADIAN SENIORS LIVING IN THOSE COUNTRIES!!! Nowhere does bill C-428 mention handing out full OAS pensions for EVERY senior that's been here for three years. Do you understand the term reciprocal agreement? Cuz apparently CARP doesn't either.

Er hum:

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Dhalla's bill would extend the same treatment to countries that don't have a reciprocal agreement with Ottawa, including China, India and a number of Caribbean and African countries. That might seem bit generous, but the benefits wouldn't be equal to those provided to other OAS recipients. An elderly immigrant who'd been here for the minimum three years would get about $38 a month, meaning you'd have to save up for almost three months to afford a 30-day pass on the Toronto subway system. Not exactly the lap of luxury.

If the amounts paid to those seniors from non-reciprocal countries are so small, why even bother with the bill? My guess would be because once it's passed, then the wailing would begin about poor Seniors living on $38/month and how we're all racist because we don't give them the same benefits as other seniors, and bada bing, they'll be getting the same amount.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

That's a FAR cry from the $2400/mo posted by the OP wouldn't you say? And your concerns really aren't all that worrisome. They'll still get their full amount like everybody else, AFTER they've been here 10 years. Just like it is now.
I'm not defending the bill so much as I'm a little tired of BS scare tactics and the disseminating of disinformation, misinformation and propaganda.
And andy, you've seen my stance on immigrants and just handing them money for nothing(and their chicks for free) before. To be honest, I don't think anyone should be getting fuck all from the government until they've become actual citizens.
But think back to your argument again. The $38/month is a token amount to keep those people from complaining that they get nothing while others recieve something. Because then they really would be screaming racism. The amount will basically allow them to take a bus to appointments, or go to a senior's centre or whatever. Just not every single day. At least, not in TO anyway.

Besides, it's a private member's bill. It has about as much chance of passing as I have of passing a speeding train on foot.
But let's crank up the rhetoric over it cuz, you know, that's how things are done these days. Turning molehills into mountains.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

That's a FAR cry from the $2400/mo posted by the OP wouldn't you say? And your concerns really aren't all that worrisome. They'll still get their full amount like everybody else, AFTER they've been here 10 years. Just like it is now.
I'm not defending the bill so much as I'm a little tired of BS scare tactics and the disseminating of disinformation, misinformation and propaganda.
And andy, you've seen my stance on immigrants and just handing them money for nothing(and their chicks for free) before. To be honest, I don't think anyone should be getting fuck all from the government until they've become actual citizens.
But think back to your argument again. The $38/month is a token amount to keep those people from complaining that they get nothing while others recieve something. Because then they really would be screaming racism. The amount will basically allow them to take a bus to appointments, or go to a senior's centre or whatever. Just not every single day. At least, not in TO anyway.

Besides, it's a private member's bill. It has about as much chance of passing as I have of passing a speeding train on foot.
But let's crank up the rhetoric over it cuz, you know, that's how things are done these days. Turning molehills into mountains.

Who/what is the OP? Nobody gets 2400 a month. But even a Senior who's never worked a day in their life gets more than 500 - there's some kind of supplement to that to bring it above welfare, if not by much. So whoever is putting out the bullshit, they should cut it out.

But the amount being talked about, $38 is by itself meaningless. It doesn't allow seniors to take the bus anywhere, because you can't live on $38. But as I say, it seems more like a foot in the door to full benefits for anybody - down the road.

The bill might not have a chance of passing, but if the Libs get it they might make it part of their platform. And I'll go yapping after this sort of bullshit because it just infuriates me that we're such suckers. I want the family reunification class reduced. I don't want people bringing in their parents, even if they don't get dime one from OAS. They still qualify for Medicare after 6 months and will cost that system plenty, without ever having paid taxes in Canada. So $38 a month, or $2400 a month, I say no.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt wrote:

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

That's a FAR cry from the $2400/mo posted by the OP wouldn't you say? And your concerns really aren't all that worrisome. They'll still get their full amount like everybody else, AFTER they've been here 10 years. Just like it is now.
I'm not defending the bill so much as I'm a little tired of BS scare tactics and the disseminating of disinformation, misinformation and propaganda.
And andy, you've seen my stance on immigrants and just handing them money for nothing(and their chicks for free) before. To be honest, I don't think anyone should be getting fuck all from the government until they've become actual citizens.
But think back to your argument again. The $38/month is a token amount to keep those people from complaining that they get nothing while others recieve something. Because then they really would be screaming racism. The amount will basically allow them to take a bus to appointments, or go to a senior's centre or whatever. Just not every single day. At least, not in TO anyway.

Besides, it's a private member's bill. It has about as much chance of passing as I have of passing a speeding train on foot.
But let's crank up the rhetoric over it cuz, you know, that's how things are done these days. Turning molehills into mountains.

Who/what is the OP? Nobody gets 2400 a month. But even a Senior who's never worked a day in their life gets more than 500 - there's some kind of supplement to that to bring it above welfare, if not by much. So whoever is putting out the bullshit, they should cut it out.

But the amount being talked about, $38 is by itself meaningless. It doesn't allow seniors to take the bus anywhere, because you can't live on $38. But as I say, it seems more like a foot in the door to full benefits for anybody - down the road.

The bill might not have a chance of passing, but if the Libs get it they might make it part of their platform. And I'll go yapping after this sort of bullshit because it just infuriates me that we're such suckers. I want the family reunification class reduced. I don't want people bringing in their parents, even if they don't get dime one from OAS. They still qualify for Medicare after 6 months and will cost that system plenty, without ever having paid taxes in Canada. So $38 a month, or $2400 a month, I say no.

OP=original poster. Take a good read of the drivel they posted about how immigrants/refugees get 2 1/2 times more per month than senior citizens. I got that in my email wayyy back in 2005. It was BS then and it's still BS today.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

One other response to your last post andy. This bill(or a very similar one) was first introduced 15 years ago. If this was something the Libs wanted to run with, they had 10 years to hop on the bandwagon. They didn't.

[andyt]

OK, finally read the whole post. I knew about this issue before it was posted here, so I just ran with that. The part about $2400 is for refugees. So both you and OP got it wrong. And refugees don't get a pension, they get some initial extra assistance, then it's welfare if they can't find a job. Since they often don't have language skills or education, it's pretty hard for them. I have no problem supporting legitimate refugees as long as they keep their noses clean when they're here.

[redhatmamma]

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[redhatmamma]

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to repeat: Bill C-428 applies only to SOME immigrant seniors from countries that ALREADY DO THE SAME FOR CANADIAN SENIORS LIVING IN THOSE COUNTRIES!!! Nowhere does bill C-428 mention handing out full OAS pensions for EVERY senior that's been here for three years. Do you understand the term reciprocal agreement? Cuz apparently CARP doesn't either.

Insults are the ammunition of the uninformed

Bill C-428 will allow recent immigrants to apply for OAS in 3 years instead of the existing 10, but as long as the Liberal party would be willing to pay for it - go for it.

I agree about reducing the family reunification class as most of those would never qualify under their own merits. The only people under that class should be dependent under age children.

[Brenda]

Anybody can apply for anything. Doesn't mean they will get it all.

[redhatmamma]

They won't get it all, if the bill passes they will get a small portion based on the number of years in Canada.

The bill is being presented as an attempt to equalize the process,as some immigrants do get a portion after 3 years, that is those who come from countries with a reciprocal agreement. However, this is nothing more than sop to Dhalla's constituents, it's about people who sponsor elderly relatives then whine about needing financial help. We should be ensuring that sponsors stick to their commitment and not pander to those who want to suck more from the public trough.