[bev21544]

As you know, Bill C-428 proposes to amend the Old Age Security Act to reduce the residence requirement for entitlement to a monthly pension from ten years to three years.

This private member's bill was introduced in the House of Commons byM..P. Ruby Dhalla, a Liberal Opposition Member..


The Old Age Security (OAS) pension is paid to seniors in recognition of the contribution that they have made to Canadian society, the economy, and their community.

The OAS program is non-contributory and is based solely on age and residence in Canada after the age of 18.

The ten-year residence rule is consistent with many other countries that have residence or contribution requirements associated with their national pensions to ensure that benefits are given in proportion to years of residence or affiliation with their pension programs. With this in mind, it is felt that the current ten-year residence requirement represents a balance between a reasonable contribution to Canadian society and the right to receive a lifelong pension.

It is estimated that reducing the ten-year eligibility requirement to three years would cost over $700 million annually in additional OAS and Guaranteed Income Supplement benefits.

Given that the OAS program is funded entirely from general tax revenues, this would be costly and place an additional burden on the Canadian taxpayer..


This bill should not have seen the light of day ... and yet it will receive second reading at the next sitting of parliament.

Please read the bill and make your own decision. If you disagree with the bill send this to everyone over in your address book ...


Bill C-428 will allow recent immigrants to apply for OAS in 3 years instead of the existing 10.


This bill had first reading in the house on June 18, 2009. It was seconded by Bob Rae! MP Ms. Ruby Dhalla who introduced the bill represents the riding of Brampton whose population is mainly East Indian. Right now you have to have lived in Canada for 10 years in order to qualify for Old Age Security. She wants the time reduced to 3 years. Thousands could come to Canada when they are 62 years old, never having worked or contributed to this country's tax system, etc. and qualify for full Old Age Security benefits. 10 years minimum is reasonable - 3 is not!

Look this up, Google C-428 and you will see this bill has only one purpose, and that is to 'featherbed' a select group of people for votes.

I certainly hope this bill does not get passed. It is about time we controlled our corporate bought and paid for party system to end.

Elected MP's to ask them to NOT support this bill. Their response may be one factor in helping us determine who gets elected in the next election, and changes to the system..

What Can You Do?

1. Spread the message to family, friends and e-mail friends.

2. Write letters, send e-mails to all your list and call Members of Parliament

It is time Canada looked after it's vets and long-term citizens before tossing OUR hard-earned money around on people who have no right to this money, never having paid taxes or contributed to our economy.

If a family wishes to bring elderly relatives here and are willing to waive their own right to collect these funds in order that the elderly relatives can receive them ... fine. Otherwise, do not expect the Canadian taxpayers to do it.



There are too many people abusing the generosity of the Canadian people.. We need to stop this NOW.

We, our children and our grand children currently owe the illegal private banking cartel global investment community just under 2 trillion dollars ... the sum of our accumulated National Debt that is never publicized

And the fraud that we stopped using ouir bank of canada..

Canada Pensions...
Only in Canada
* It is interesting to know that the federal Government of Canada allows :

* A monthly pension of : $1,890.00 to a simple refugee
* plus : 580.00 in social aid

==========

* A grand total of : $2,470.00 monthly

X 12 months
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$28,920.00 annual income

· By comparison, the Old Age Pension of a senior citizen who has contributed to the development of Our Beautiful Big Country during 40 or 50 years, CANNOT receive more than :

* Amount/month $1,012.00 in Old Age Pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement

X 12 months
============
$12,144.00 annual income

* A difference of : $16,776.00 per year


* Perhaps our senior citizens should ask for the Status of Refugees instead of applying for Old Age Pension.

* Let us send this message to as many Canadians as possible, and maybe the allowance of refugee could then be reduced to $1,012.00, and that of our Canadian pensioners raised to $2,470.00 per month. (who actually deserve it) the money that they have been paying in income taxes for 40 or 50 years,

AN INCREDIBLE NONSENSE !!!
OUR CANADIAN SENIORS CITIZENS, DESERVE BETTER
Please circulate this text to see the reaction of your contacts !

[Ryanrenesis]

Aren't we already facing a problem trying to pay our current and near-future senior citizens their pensions?

It's the first time in history where the next generation is facing a crisis trying to pay off the previous generations' (baby boomers) pensions.

[DrCaleb]

Disregard, typo

[sandorski]

I really can't see something like this passing. I could agree to something similar to a Family Allowance for those supporting their Parents to carry from 3-10 years, but not a full Pension at 3 years.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

I'd circulate the text but, I GOT THAT MESSAGE LONG BEFORE 2009!!!

Now, for the truth:

There's been some web traffic on a Liberal proposal to allow elderly immigrants to qualify for the Canada Pension Plan after just three years in the country. It's usually accompanied by a video of Liberal MP Ruby Dhalla introducing the proposal last spring, seconded by Bob Rae. People, especially pensioners, are upset that immigrants should get access so quickly, having never paid into the system like the rest of us.


The only problem with the issue is that there's nothing to it. Dhalla did introduce a private member's bill, Bill C-428, but it relates only to the Old Age Security program, and does not change any of the rules regarding access to the Canada Pension Plan.
OAS is part of the income program for elderly Canadians, and provides a maximum of about $500 a month to seniors who have lived in Canada for at least 10 years. Dhalla's bill would reduce the residency period to three years for some seniors. Canada currently has reciprocal agreements with more than 50 countries, in which Canada waives the residency requirement, as long as they waive it for us. So if you spent 10 years in Australia, Iceland or Barbados before moving to Canada, it counts as living in Canada for social security benefits. They do the same for us.

Dhalla's bill would extend the same treatment to countries that don't have a reciprocal agreement with Ottawa, including China, India and a number of Caribbean and African countries. That might seem bit generous, but the benefits wouldn't be equal to those provided to other OAS recipients. An elderly immigrant who'd been here for the minimum three years would get about $38 a month, meaning you'd have to save up for almost three months to afford a 30-day pass on the Toronto subway system. Not exactly the lap of luxury.

Even at that modest rate, it's not likely the Bill will see daylight. It's a private member's bill, which means it has about as much chance of becoming law as Gilles Duceppe does of becoming Prime Minister. And Dhalla's office says it is number 128 on the list of private members' bills up for consideration, which means your 5-year-old will be in a nursing home before Parliament is likely to get around to it.

At most, the Bill acts as a signal of legislation the Liberals might favour if they were to form a government. At $450 a year per senior, it would add up to about the same as the Conservative Fitness Tax Credit, which lets parents claim up to $500 a year for sticking their kids in organized sports programs.

Dhalla's office also says the Bill was introduced previously by MP Colleen Baumier, who retired from office in 2008 after 15 years in Ottawa. For some strange reason, Dhalla attracts more attention than Baumier. Go figure.

Kelly McParland
National Post




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[martin14]

Ruby and Bobjob intent on destroying everything as usual...

[Brenda]

From what I gathered before I moved here, is that you, just as in the Netherlands, build 2% Old Age every year since you were 15. The day you leave your home country, you stop building up, unless you pay. 10 years later, you start building in Canada. Now, that may be reduced to 3, so I would only lose 6% instead of 20.
The Netherlands pays me whatever percentage I built up there, Canada pays me whatever I built up here. If I moved here at age 62, I get no Canadian, but only Dutch Old Age.

[bev21544]

Thanks Kelly, scare mongers do make it sound much worse, but my take was I would hate to be sitting back and just ignoring the issue and then low and behold it comes to pass. It seem this happens so often in Canada, with our laid back attitudes. The system that Brenda has describes sounds so much more logical.
I still have many questions as to why this has even gotten to a second reading but I will research this before going any further. Generosity with everyone but our own citizens who of course must foot the bill, seems to be the way in this day and age.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Re-read the article Bev. The bill would only apply to SOME seniors. It's a reciprocal agreement with countries that already do the same for Canadians living in those countries.

[sandorski]

Ahh, now it doesn't seem so out there.

[Brenda]

Quote:

Only in Canada
* It is interesting to know that the federal Government of Canada allows :

* A monthly pension of : $1,890.00 to a simple refugee
* plus : 580.00 in social aid

where does that number come from?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Don't worry about it Brenda. That email was circulated years ago and was determined to be a hoax.

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

Don't worry about it Brenda. That email was circulated years ago and was determined to be a hoax.

Okay then

[redhatmamma]

It's not a hoax, there is such a bill and I believed passed second reading, not sure where it is now. Even if the amount a senior would get after only 3 years is minimal, it doesn't alter the fact that this bill is in response to immigrants asking for financial help with aging parents. People who choose to bring their parents here do so knowing their financial circumstances, it is their own responsibility to look after them until they meet the 10 year requirement. It is not up to us to support parents who are voluntarily brought here. Requesting these changes, as small as they start out to be, is simply an abuse of our immigration procedures and generosity.

http://www.carp.ca/media/item_display.cfm?mediaitem=86
CARP requests withdrawal of Bill C-428, Private Members Bill is hopeles

[PublicAnimalNo9]

redhatmamma wrote:

It's not a hoax, there is such a bill and I believed passed second reading, not sure where it is now. Even if the amount a senior would get after only 3 years is minimal, it doesn't alter the fact that this bill is in response to immigrants asking for financial help with aging parents. People who choose to bring their parents here do so knowing their financial circumstances, it is their own responsibility to look after them until they meet the 10 year requirement. It is not up to us to support parents who are voluntarily brought here. Requesting these changes, as small as they start out to be, is simply an abuse of our immigration procedures and generosity.

http://www.carp.ca/media/item_display.cfm?mediaitem=86
CARP requests withdrawal of Bill C-428, Private Members Bill is hopeles

Oh for Christ's sakes. Learn to read or at least get some comprehension skills.
The amounts that were posted by the OP are a hoax.
To repeat: Bill C-428 applies only to SOME immigrant seniors from countries that ALREADY DO THE SAME FOR CANADIAN SENIORS LIVING IN THOSE COUNTRIES!!! Nowhere does bill C-428 mention handing out full OAS pensions for EVERY senior that's been here for three years. Do you understand the term reciprocal agreement? Cuz apparently CARP doesn't either.