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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:16 am
 


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Canada's racial biases and abuses of Human Rights has always been subtle and quietly intrusive. If you want a clear example, go and search for a list of Canadian black mayors. Good luck finding such a list. That in itself, is telling.


What's more telling is the list of black people who have run for mayor. Which if I'm not mistake, is pretty much the same list. Can't win if you don''t run!

Whereas, the list of women, minorities, Jewish and Muslim mayors is getting longer every year.

The lies that statistics are used to tell . . .


Oh, so only black Americans are ambitious and driven to contribute politically, not those in Canada. Got it. Thank you for clearing up your perspective on this issue.


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Canada's racial biases and abuses of Human Rights has always been subtle and quietly intrusive. If you want a clear example, go and search for a list of Canadian black mayors. Good luck finding such a list. That in itself, is telling.


What's more telling is the list of black people who have run for mayor. Which if I'm not mistake, is pretty much the same list. Can't win if you don''t run!

Whereas, the list of women, minorities, Jewish and Muslim mayors is getting longer every year.

The lies that statistics are used to tell . . .


Oh, so only black Americans are ambitious and driven to contribute politically, not those in Canada. Got it. Thank you for clearing up your perspective on this issue.


So, you are trying to tell us that Black Canadians aren't smart enough to run for office? How racist of you.


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Oh, so only black Americans are ambitious and driven to contribute politically, not those in Canada. Got it. Thank you for clearing up your perspective on this issue.[/quote]

So, you are trying to tell us that Black Canadians aren't smart enough to run for office? How racist of you.[/quote]

I am telling you that they would systemically be stymied or "discouraged" from running. I would go further and be willing to bet that very few if any successful politicians and business leaders in todays Canada came from government housing or extreme poverty.

Here is a list of appointed senate:

http://sen.parl.gc.ca/portal/canada-senators-e.htm

Not elected, appointed. Judge for yourself. A reflection of immigrant rich Canada?

We are a system that pretends to be a "mixed" economy, when we hardly represent the principles of free market ideology. We certainly spit on the right of the individual for the benefit of the "collective". Who this collective is, has hardly changed in the minds of the cronies.

This is where someone like you and I differ greatly. I am a Libertarian/Conservative. I believe in lowering of regulation and government intrusion while maintaining a balanced budget. I believe in individualism over cronyism, which is often disguised as protecting. Government has a role, a very important one, but it is to service and govern, not to "appoint" or "direct" business or the individual. Americans get this far better than we do. We are stuck in another century, and it will only get worse as our economy worsens. If we had such a system, we would see more immigrants and the poor reaching higher ground. In the U.S, Ben Carson gets it, Rand Paul gets it, Paul Ryan gets it, just to name a few.

The government can encourage industry and investment by getting their hands out of it. From excessive regulations to "oversight" by security apparatuses, Canada is not an entrepreneurial nation, when it clearly should be. Instead agencies and their minions do their work for the sole purpose of their own gain. Instead, we produce intelligent workers who find barriers to opportunity, so they leave for America. Then we have CEO's for instance, complaining about this exodus, while they cannot create the proper culture at their workplace to keep these individuals. Throw in the handy work of the RCMP, OPP and their surrogates, and you get a failed economy that has been dependent on the growth and ingenuity of our largest trading partners to succeed.


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I am telling you that they would systemically be stymied or "discouraged" from running. I would go further and be willing to bet that very few if any successful politicians and business leaders in todays Canada came from government housing or extreme poverty.


What does extreme poverty have to do with Black Mayors? Are you saying that Blacks in Canada live in extreme poverty? I though that was First Nations, according to Xerxes post?


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Here is a list of appointed senate:

http://sen.parl.gc.ca/portal/canada-senators-e.htm

Not elected, appointed. Judge for yourself. A reflection of immigrant rich Canada?


Salma Ataullahjan, female immigrant from Pakistan; Patrick Brazeau, First Nations; Anne C. Cools , former social worker; Tobias Enverga, Filipino immigrant; Mobina Jaffer, Ugandan immigrant; Don Meredith, first Jamaican born person in Senate; . . and those were just a random sampling. I mean, seriously you torpedo your own arguments.

But what does this have to do with Black Mayors? Are you somehow equating the fact that Blacks simply don't run for Mayor reflects the fact that Canadians are biased against voting for a Black person? How can we be racist against something that doesn't exist?

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We are a system that pretends to be a "mixed" economy, when we hardly represent the principles of free market ideology. We certainly spit on the right of the individual for the benefit of the "collective". Who this collective is, has hardly changed in the minds of the cronies.


Huh? [huh]


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We are a system that pretends to be a "mixed" economy, when we hardly represent the principles of free market ideology. We certainly spit on the right of the individual for the benefit of the "collective". Who this collective is, has hardly changed in the minds of the cronies.


Huh? [huh][/quote]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... cle568434/


A Canadian-born visible minority man earns about 18 per cent less than a Canadian-born white man with similar education and experience, according to Simon Fraser University economist Krishna Pendakur...

Why? Economists say part of it may be that the networks they inherit from their parents are less likely to lead to high-paying jobs. Part of it may be straightforward discrimination.

His research suggests the wage gap has actually increased from 1970 to the present, which is at odds with the Canadian self-image of a society growing more comfortable with diversity.


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shockedcanadian wrote:
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We are a system that pretends to be a "mixed" economy, when we hardly represent the principles of free market ideology. We certainly spit on the right of the individual for the benefit of the "collective". Who this collective is, has hardly changed in the minds of the cronies.


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Huh? [huh]


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... cle568434/


A Canadian-born visible minority man earns about 18 per cent less than a Canadian-born white man with similar education and experience, according to Simon Fraser University economist Krishna Pendakur...

Why? Economists say part of it may be that the networks they inherit from their parents are less likely to lead to high-paying jobs. Part of it may be straightforward discrimination.

His research suggests the wage gap has actually increased from 1970 to the present, which is at odds with the Canadian self-image of a society growing more comfortable with diversity.


So that's why Blacks in Canada don't run for mayor? Because their parents didn't leave them enough money, or their parents didn't encourage them to succeed in life enough?

How then is the Canadian voter racist for not electing more black mayors?


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We are a system that pretends to be a "mixed" economy, when we hardly represent the principles of free market ideology. We certainly spit on the right of the individual for the benefit of the "collective". Who this collective is, has hardly changed in the minds of the cronies.


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Huh? [huh]


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... cle568434/


A Canadian-born visible minority man earns about 18 per cent less than a Canadian-born white man with similar education and experience, according to Simon Fraser University economist Krishna Pendakur...

Why? Economists say part of it may be that the networks they inherit from their parents are less likely to lead to high-paying jobs. Part of it may be straightforward discrimination.

His research suggests the wage gap has actually increased from 1970 to the present, which is at odds with the Canadian self-image of a society growing more comfortable with diversity.


So that's why Blacks in Canada don't run for mayor? Because their parents didn't leave them enough money, or their parents didn't encourage them to succeed in life enough?

How then is the Canadian voter racist for not electing more black mayors?


I posted that to support the original assessment about the wage gap. The furthering evidence of inequality in leadership was a cherry on top. Though an important consideration.

I explained that there is a systemic inability for blacks to find success in Canadian politics. On the other hand, do you have evidence that no Black citizens have run for mayor? We know that in this vast country, with thousands upon thousands of jurisdictions, that we have a very small number of black mayors.

I watch CBC, CTV and read countless news articles. Many mayors have been identified, I only recall the current mayor of Calgary as a minority who is a mayor. When I watch CNN or Fox News, I see countless mayors of cities interviewed who are black. Many who are chiefs of police, in vital positions of government.


All parents want their kids to succeed, when those of same education and qualifications are making 18% less, you have to explain it with something more than "hey, maybe they just don't want to do the higher paying jobs".

The socialist paradox, is to give someone some crumbs easily so they don't get a chance to sit at the table and eat steak. This ensures generations of poverty and despair. Moving up the food chain isn't easy, it isn't meant to be, but the free market, laissez-faire economics at least gives those who are poor who disadvantaged a shot. Read the list of those I stated who "get it".


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shockedcanadian wrote:
I posted that to support the original assessment about the wage gap. The furthering evidence of inequality in leadership was a cherry on top. Though an important consideration.


But what you wrote was:

shockedcanadian wrote:
Canada's racial biases and abuses of Human Rights has always been subtle and quietly intrusive. If you want a clear example, go and search for a list of Canadian black mayors. Good luck finding such a list. That in itself, is telling.


Clearly your thoughts were that Canadians were racially biased against voting for Black mayors, now you are saying the same thing I responded to that with - that Blacks simply don't run for mayor, and that in of itself is not a sign of Canadians racism toward Blacks?

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I explained that there is a systemic inability for blacks to find success in Canadian politics. On the other hand, do you have evidence that no Black citizens have run for mayor? We know that in this vast country, with thousands upon thousands of jurisdictions, that we have a very small number of black mayors.


One cannot prove a negative, therefore proving "no Black citizens have run for mayor" is impossible. But since your next sentence disproves that, I guess some Blacks have run for mayor in order to have been elected mayor.

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I watch CBC, CTV and read countless news articles. Many mayors have been identified, I only recall the current mayor of Calgary as a minority who is a mayor. When I watch CNN or Fox News, I see countless mayors of cities interviewed who are black. Many who are chiefs of police, in vital positions of government.


So, you are using the statistical method of 'because I think so'? Is the Chief or Police in Toronto not Black? Any election I've ever been allowed to vote, I research the candidates. Not once do I recall a Black candidate. This does not mean I economically repress them so they can't run for mayor, it simply means none ran for mayor.

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All parents want their kids to succeed, when those of same education and qualifications are making 18% less, you have to explain it with something more than "hey, maybe they just don't want to do the higher paying jobs".


Not once have I said there aren't disadvantaged minorities in Canada. I simply say, I don't disadvantage them. I don't do Human Rights abuses. I don't prevent anyone from pursuing their goals in life.

To claim that such things are 'systemic' in Canada implies that I do.

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The socialist paradox, is to give someone some crumbs easily so they don't get a chance to sit at the table and eat steak. This ensures generations of poverty and despair. Moving up the food chain isn't easy, it isn't meant to be, but the free market, laissez-faire economics at least gives those who are poor who disadvantaged a shot. Read the list of those I stated who "get it".


Ahh yes, the cries of "Help, Help! We are being repressed!". Guess what? I grew up, and everything in life that I have is because I went out and got it. No one handed it to me, and no one stopped me from getting it. The only one who can hold me back is ME.


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I posted that to support the original assessment about the wage gap. The furthering evidence of inequality in leadership was a cherry on top. Though an important consideration.


But what you wrote was:

shockedcanadian wrote:
Canada's racial biases and abuses of Human Rights has always been subtle and quietly intrusive. If you want a clear example, go and search for a list of Canadian black mayors. Good luck finding such a list. That in itself, is telling.


Clearly your thoughts were that Canadians were racially biased against voting for Black mayors, now you are saying the same thing I responded to that with - that Blacks simply don't run for mayor, and that in of itself is not a sign of Canadians racism toward Blacks?


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The socialist paradox, is to give someone some crumbs easily so they don't get a chance to sit at the table and eat steak. This ensures generations of poverty and despair. Moving up the food chain isn't easy, it isn't meant to be, but the free market, laissez-faire economics at least gives those who are poor who disadvantaged a shot. Read the list of those I stated who "get it".


Ahh yes, the cries of "Help, Help! We are being repressed!". Guess what? I grew up, and everything in life that I have is because I went out and got it. No one handed it to me, and no one stopped me from getting it. The only one who can hold me back is ME.


You are trying to be a lawyer with me in regards to facts. The opinion as to the "why", I will leave to you.

The fact is, we have very little, to no Black mayors in a nation that prides itself as being a nation of immigrants. I didn't suggest this has anything to do with voters, you put words in my mouth in an offensive display of deception. Again, what I will tell you is that there are little to no Black mayors. Period. You want to explain, then go ahead and do so.

Of course, what you got in life you went out and obtained it, what about some of us who went out and tried to get it too, only to have dirty, unaccountable covert officers interfering in these pursuits? Only to protect their colleagues and lying pals? To terrorize and justify their existence.

I graduated university with an award as top 4% of my graduating class. I was nominated for a prestigious award when I worked at IBM. I was accepted into an Internationally reknowned MBA program, while completing my application I scored in a top percentile in my GMAT test. A timed test in which the results are standardized against the competition.

All of this, while coming from a single parent household for much of my life, being raised in government housing. I know what it means to overcome circumstances to achieve something. Unfortunately, with employment interference at IBM, RBC, another U.S company situated in Canada, I know how dirtbags and their lineage interfere with lives without recourse. Dirtbags who quite frankly wouldn't be intelligent enough to run a McDonalds, nor have enough courage to have a career in the military. So they got the best thing they could get, a career in "covert policing". Which really is "persecute, misrepresent, lie, bs, play the game screw over people lives" even if they dont have a record or allegations.

Some of these useless agents had two years of college in police foundations. While his wife; not the brightest bulb in the pack, became a manager at a Canadian bank. Not because she earned it, but because she is a cop. This is the socialist system that had destroyed the creativity and innovation in this country. Conmen and women "playing the game" while shareholders get sub-par undercover officers working in corporations. All in the name of "protecting" the business. Right.

You are the type who believes that everything you received is due to your personal hard work and effort, and all that others get is due to laziness, inept skills, motivation etc. Those of us who SHOULD be contributing and advancing this country out of the stone age, cannot do so because others persecute and justify this persecution. These same people make fun of the guy down the street on welfare and their $500 a month paycheque while they exploit the system and milk it for thousands a week pretending to do work or "investigating" something for weeks, months, years. Many of these investigations aren't even legitimate or are exagerated without regard for Human Rights.


Please explain, how you achieve the greatness you have. Government work? Family? Connections? I would love to hear what made you such a stellar Canadian success story. I've been straight forward and honest. Let's have full disclosure.


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Please explain, how you achieve the greatness you have. Government work? Family? Connections? I would love to hear what made you such a stellar Canadian success story. I've been straight forward and honest. Let's have full disclosure.


Hard work. Pretty straight forward.


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Those of us who SHOULD be contributing and advancing this country out of the stone age, cannot do so because others persecute and justify this persecution.


Holy shit. ...Squirrel Shit's psychotic delusions are really getting involved. Next he'll be telling us he was awarded the Victoria Cross, a peerage and was the hero of Helms Deep and defeated the Shadows at Z'ha'dum.


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Please explain, how you achieve the greatness you have. Government work? Family? Connections? I would love to hear what made you such a stellar Canadian success story. I've been straight forward and honest. Let's have full disclosure.


Hard work. Pretty straight forward.


I'm betting that you're just a tiny little bit smarter than the persecuted, permanently unemployed. :wink:


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And I'm betting the work wasn't all that hard either.


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Most Canadians don't even appreciate the differences, I know I didn't, in fact, until the interference in my career I couldn't stand politics and knew very little about it or world affairs.


Ah..............that explains a lot..


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