[Peeves]

It's past time to do away with milk-eggs and cheese marketing boards

[raydan]

Great... we'll do that tomorrow.

[PluggyRug]

I would like to be able to get REAL milk. Not that smashed up stuff in a plastic bag.

[Lemmy]

Peeves wrote:

It's past time to do away with milk-eggs and cheese marketing boards

Are you anti-Dutch? Get rid of the DFO and there'll be Dutchmen dangling from their barns' rafters by the thousands. Do you know how the Dutch take to losing money? Well every cow milked in Southwestern Ontario is milked by a Dutchman.

I apologize for this one in advance, Brenda:

There's this Newfie, Dutchgirl and black girl all in the maternity ward together. After they've all given their births, the ward staff messes up. They can't remember which baby is which. They were, like, "Oh shit, we're gonna have do DNA tests or whateverthehell to identify these babies". Then one of the nurses suggests just letting the mothers pick out their children. Mothers would instinctively know which child was theirs. And after all, one of the babies is black so it should be easy to get that one sent home correctly. So the Newfie mother goes first and she picks the black baby. The maternity ward staff were, of course, not expecting that choice, so they asked why she picked as she had: "It was the only way I could be 100% sure not to take the Dutch kid home."

[raydan]

Just in case there's any confusion, I was being sarcastic.

[Peeves]

raydan wrote:

Just in case there's any confusion, I was being sarcastic.

OK be Sarcastic, but;
Can we just call you "Sar" for short?


I can buy those dairy products at 1/2 the price where there are no marketing boards.

[Peeves]

PluggyRug wrote:

I would like to be able to get REAL milk. Not that smashed up stuff in a plastic bag.

An Ontario dairy farmer guilty of selling and distributing raw milk has been fined $9,150.

In September, an appeal court found Michael Schmidt of Durham guilty on charges related to the production and sale of unpasteurized milk.

It's illegal to distribute raw milk in Canada — unless it's to the farmer's immediate family.

Schmidt admitted he supplied raw milk to 150 families who bought shares in his herd of cows. He went on a hunger strike from late September until early November to protest the guilty verdict.

The farmer was given one year of probation for violating the Health Protection and Promotion Act. He also received an additional year of probation for operating a milk plant without a licence.

Schmidt remained defiant on Friday, toasting his sentence with a glass of raw milk. He said he plans to appeal within 30 days and will not pay the fine.

"I'd rather go to prison than pay the fine and that's a matter of principle," he said. "If I pay the fine, then this is almost like an admittance of guilt."

He has said previously that the fight is not about milk, but about respect for the individual's right to make choices without government interference.

It's legal to drink unpasteurized milk, but selling it is against the law because of the risk of E. coli, salmonella and listeria.

[Lemmy]

Peeves wrote:

I can buy those dairy products at 1/2 the price where there are no marketing boards.

You can, eh? Get rid of the marketing boards and you think price is gonna fall, do you? Explain to me the process that would reach that end result.

[Proculation]

Lemmy wrote:

Peeves wrote:

I can buy those dairy products at 1/2 the price where there are no marketing boards.

You can, eh? Get rid of the marketing boards and you think price is gonna fall, do you? Explain to me the process that would reach that end result.

Lemmy, are you serious ?

I don't really understand the english term "marketing boards" but I'm guessing it's the control of the supply with quotas you have to buy to get into the market of milk.

I'm also guessing that in most dairy farms, the biggest investment is those quotas. You have to put down hundreds of thousands of dollars to just be able to market milk.

One thing is sure, you can't eliminate that 'market' with a law and make the dairy farms a free market. With the millions of dollars in debt those farms had to acquire to buy the quotas, they will just bankrupt. That's the problem. To get into a more free market, the state would have to buy the debts the farms contracted to get their quotas.

There's also the problem of being next to the USA where the dairy farms are heavily subsidized. They pay less in the USA but the states subsidize the farms with public money. Here we have another system with a control of the supply and quotas but we don't subsidize directly.

So we are in a catch 22. We go with a free market, we destroy our dairy farms market if we don't buy their debts and subsidize them. Or we stick with our system and we pay more for our milk on the grocery shelves.

[Lemmy]

Proculation wrote:

Lemmy, are you serious ?

Yes, my request for an explanation from Peeves was a serious request.

[raydan]

I worked in the dairy industry for years in finance, a bit less in other areas controled by quotas... eggs and chickens. Remove the quotas, you get a bunch of small farms going under, unable to compete. Then, either the government steps in and subsidizes to keep them going, or do nothing. If they do nothing, you get less supply. Either way, it's money coming out of the consumers's pocket. Farmers that complain don't understand how this works. In all my years working with them, very few complained about quotas and were happy to have them.

I'd much rather pay a bit more for these products than pay less and having my tax dollars pay subsides.

To be honest with you though, I have bought milk products and eggs directly from farmers, that is, illegaly. Can't find milk around here but I still buy my eggs from them.

[PimpBrewski123]

raydan wrote:

I worked in the dairy industry for years in finance, a bit less in other areas controled by quotas... eggs and chickens. Remove the quotas, you get a bunch of small farms going under, unable to compete. Then, either the government steps in and subsidizes to keep them going, or do nothing. If they do nothing, you get less supply. Either way, it's money coming out of the consumers's pocket. Farmers that complain don't understand how this works. In all my years working with them, very few complained about quotas and were happy to have them.

I'd much rather pay a bit more for these products than pay less and having my tax dollars pay subsides.

To be honest with you though, I have bought milk products and eggs directly from farmers, that is, illegaly. Can't find milk around here but I still buy my eggs from them.

So from what you are saying, the ''UPA'' is the only option.

[raydan]

Quotas and UPA are 2 different things.

[PimpBrewski123]

It doesn't matter, it's all run by the ''fonctionnaire''.

Vive la Nation Quebecoise.

[raydan]

Milk quotas are Canadian Pimp... all run by fontionnaires.

I know one group of people that would be happy to see our quotas disappear, the American farmers.