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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:15 pm
 


Looks like the idea of a coalition is still alive and well....

Received an interesting email from someone well connected to what goes on in the HoC. It appears that a coalition between the Liberals, NDP, and yes, the Bloc is still very much on the table. The difference this time is the three parties learned their lesson well from Canadians after the last debacle, with Dion, Layton, and Duceppe calling a formal news conference to inform Canadians about their coalition. Outrage among Canadians was quite amazing, with polls showing the Conservatives in the mid to high 40's as outrage spread across the country.

And yet, those same three parties are still talking about said coalition, albeit this one behind the scenes, out of the view of Canadian voters. Realizing a formal coalition between the three parties is akin to political suicide, the parties are now working towards the same goal as the previous agreement, while at the same time keeping voters unaware of their plan. Whenever the next election takes place, Conservatives will focus on the threat of a coalition government.

Phase 1 of the new coalition is to try and blunt that attack. Thus you now have Layton and Duceppe voting with the government. You have Ignatieff stating he will fast track the EI reforms. While the usual suspects claim this to be posturing among Lib and Dipper strategists to get the upper hand, what it really is is an attempt to say to Canadians, Hey, Stephen Harper worked with each of the parties, why can't the three parties work together as well?

Phase 2 will be the Liberals tabling a non-confidence motion, with Layton and Duceppe joining in with that tired old-line about the PM going back to his old ways, refusing to work with the other parties, and therefore the necessity to vote down the government.

Phase 3 consists of telling Canadians they agree we don't want an election, and approaching the GG to ask for a chance to form government. The goal is to remove the PM before the economy and Conservative polling numbers picks up even more steam, allowing them to say it was themselves who are responsible for the economic turnaround.

In effect they will be doing what most Canadians have already stated was unacceptable, achieve power without having to win an election, something none of the three parties realize they could achieve themselves. And if they have to throw the Canadian voters under the bus to achieve it, they won't think twice.

Political sleaze at its best!

Many thanks to Paul @ http://paulsrants-paulsstuff.blogspot.com/





PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:23 pm
 


The original agreement still stands.

The proposed coalition government includes:

* 24 members of cabinet and Dion as prime minister
* 18 Liberal cabinet ministers (including a yet-to-be-named Liberal finance minister)
* 6 NDP cabinet ministers
* 6 NDP parliamentary secretaries
* The 2 caucuses would sit side by side in the House of Commons
* The agreement between the NDP and Liberals would expire on June 30, 2011, unless renewed. The Bloc is only committed to 18 months.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:48 pm
 


No real suprise. The Libs are desperate to get into power.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:05 pm
 


Wow. A blogger received an interesting email. Thats quite the level of proof you guys have here. :roll:

Meanwhile Harper is already in a coalition with the separatists and socialists.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:12 pm
 


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Wow. A blogger received an interesting email. Thats quite the level of proof you guys have here. :roll:

Meanwhile Harper is already in a coalition with the separatists and socialists.


Note to hack:

Supporting a bill from another party, isn't a coalition.

A coalition is one where parties come together, sign an agreement then approach the GG to form a government.

You guys aren't fooling anyone with talk of this being anything close to a coalition.


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OnTheIce wrote:
DerbyX wrote:
Wow. A blogger received an interesting email. Thats quite the level of proof you guys have here. :roll:

Meanwhile Harper is already in a coalition with the separatists and socialists.


Note to hack:

Supporting a bill from another party, isn't a coalition.

A coalition is one where parties come together, sign an agreement then approach the GG to form a government.

You guys aren't fooling anyone with talk of this being anything close to a coalition.


Take your own advice. When Martin was being supported by the NDP and/or Bloc thats exactly what you guys were whining about.

As long as Harper is being propped up by them its a defacto coalition no matter how you want to spin it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:20 pm
 


DerbyX wrote:
OnTheIce wrote:
DerbyX wrote:
Wow. A blogger received an interesting email. Thats quite the level of proof you guys have here. :roll:

Meanwhile Harper is already in a coalition with the separatists and socialists.


Note to hack:

Supporting a bill from another party, isn't a coalition.

A coalition is one where parties come together, sign an agreement then approach the GG to form a government.

You guys aren't fooling anyone with talk of this being anything close to a coalition.


Take your own advice. When Martin was being supported by the NDP and/or Bloc thats exactly what you guys were whining about.

As long as Harper is being propped up by them its a defacto coalition no matter how you want to spin it.


No, I wasn't. Stop putting words in my mouth. I wasn't on the forum until 6-8 months after that happened.

"Defacto" coalition? Well, if he helps you score points after voting down the tax credit, then I guess you gotta hold onto anything you can :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:23 pm
 


OnTheIce wrote:
No, I wasn't. Stop putting words in my mouth. I wasn't on the forum until 6-8 months after that happened.

"Defacto" coalition? Well, if he helps you score points after voting down the tax credit, then I guess you gotta hold onto anything you can :lol:


How is that crow tasting? Crawling into bed with the NDP and Bloc? A massive debt from your so called fiscal conservatives?

Is there anything you cons have decried in the Liberals/NDP that Harper hasn't emulated to a worse degree?

BTW, as long as you accuse poquas of being a Liberal over his very own words you can't complain when it gets done to you.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:37 pm
 


Yeah.. that home reno plan is sure a horrid partizan thing.. :D


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:40 pm
 


DerbyX wrote:
OnTheIce wrote:
No, I wasn't. Stop putting words in my mouth. I wasn't on the forum until 6-8 months after that happened.

"Defacto" coalition? Well, if he helps you score points after voting down the tax credit, then I guess you gotta hold onto anything you can :lol:


How is that crow tasting? Crawling into bed with the NDP and Bloc? A massive debt from your so called fiscal conservatives?

Is there anything you cons have decried in the Liberals/NDP that Harper hasn't emulated to a worse degree?

BTW, as long as you accuse poquas of being a Liberal over his very own words you can't complain when it gets done to you.


My very own words? There's you going again, accusing all Conservatives of saying and thinking the same thing despite the fact that I WASN'T ON THE FORUM AT THE TIME. :lol:

Go on now, don't let reality get in the way of your posts or false accusations.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:41 pm
 


It is when you refuse to put it into law when asked just so you can keep dangling it around for partisan reasons. It was in fact the very definition of partisan politics.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:43 pm
 


OnTheIce wrote:
DerbyX wrote:
OnTheIce wrote:
No, I wasn't. Stop putting words in my mouth. I wasn't on the forum until 6-8 months after that happened.

"Defacto" coalition? Well, if he helps you score points after voting down the tax credit, then I guess you gotta hold onto anything you can :lol:


How is that crow tasting? Crawling into bed with the NDP and Bloc? A massive debt from your so called fiscal conservatives?

Is there anything you cons have decried in the Liberals/NDP that Harper hasn't emulated to a worse degree?

BTW, as long as you accuse poquas of being a Liberal over his very own words you can't complain when it gets done to you.


My very own words? There's you going again, accusing all Conservatives of saying and thinking the same thing despite the fact that I WASN'T ON THE FORUM AT THE TIME. :lol:

Go on now, don't let reality get in the way of your posts or false accusations.


What it means hack is that if you can base your position that poquas is a Liberal (over his words) based on his subsequent posts and beliefs then I can do the same for you.

In essence you have exactly the partisan hackery to bitch and whine when Martin was getting support from the NDP and Bloc only to now claim its perfectly OK, just like running a deficit is OK when the cons do it. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:48 pm
 


DerbyX wrote:

What it means hack is that if you can base your position that poquas is a Liberal (over his words) based on his subsequent posts and beliefs then I can do the same for you.

In essence you have exactly the partisan hackery to bitch and whine when Martin was getting support from the NDP and Bloc only to now claim its perfectly OK, just like running a deficit is OK when the cons do it. :roll:


Do I put words in his mouth?

Do I claim that he said something, when he did not?

No, so run out, hit the 7/11 and get a clue.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:56 pm
 


If anyone's SERIOUSLY going to the 7-11, I'll have a Dr. Pepper and a bag of Hickory Sticks.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:03 pm
 


Lemmy wrote:
If anyone's SERIOUSLY going to the 7-11, I'll have a Dr. Pepper and a bag of Hickory Sticks.


I already went. Got Tostito's. Sorry [B-o]


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