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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:46 am
 


Don't be naive on climate change, Norway’s former PM cautions Canada

Gro Harlem Brundtland, former prime minister of Norway, was keynote speaker on Monday at the International Polar Year conference in Montreal. Dr. Brundtland has headed the World Health Organization and served as a UN climate change envoy.

In her speech, she said warming temperatures have dramatically affected the globe’s polar regions. The Arctic Ocean ice has shrunk and will likely disappear within 30 to 40 years, permafrost is thawing, and Antarctica is losing ice and witnessing above-average warming in the Southern Ocean, she said.

“The Polar Regions are now being drawn into the rest of the world at a much accelerated pace,” she said.

Dr. Brundtland told delegates that despite the weaknesses of the Kyoto Protocol, the world can’t afford to push it aside without an alternative, as global emissions steadily increase.

Dr. Brundtland spoke to The Globe and Mail after the speech.

You raised the Kyoto Protocol in your address. The Canadian government announced this year that it is withdrawing from the accord. What is your view about the decision?

Canada has been moving backwards on this issue, if you look at it historically. The U.S. and Canada both need to be committed to do their role. That doesn’t mean that China and India and everybody else also don’t have to step up. But we shouldn’t step back from our commitment – we should add the others.

I’m still expecting the U.S. and Canada to be part of a future solution to a future broad agreement. I believe this is the reality of the world, that we all have to contribute. We need to work with all countries across the world and not take away the Kyoto Protocol before we find an alternative that is workable.

The scientific basis for climate change has come under attack in Canada. Alberta’s Wildrose Party believes the link between human activity and global warming is inconclusive. How do you respond?

That is anti-scientific and naive. Politicians and others that question the science, that’s not the right thing to do. We have to base ourselves on evidence.

What message do you have for political leaders dealing with environmental issues?

It is important not to be influenced by, and inspired by, laissez-faire attitudes, which first had an impact before the [U.S.] financial crisis and [the BP oil spill] in the Gulf of Mexico. When you liberalize regulations, and you leave it more to companies, whether banks or oil companies, I don’t think this is the right way to go. You have to have governance. You must have serious and strict regulations.

What kind of model is Norway adopting as far as natural resource development?

Norway is an oil-and-gas producing nation with a strong environmental policy. We have the petroleum fund. We call it the Pension Fund; it’s there so that the financial benefits from the development and extraction of oil and gas are not used only by our generations, but saves it for future generations.

Norway, like other European countries, has also been debating immigration in recent years. What is your reading of the situation?


Immigration into Europe has increased enormously in the last 50 years. It has changed people’s environment – there are cultural changes and debates around this. In Nordic countries, we have been very generous in receiving asylum seekers. There has been a lot of people moving into Norway, Sweden and Denmark in the last 30 years. And people have different opinions about it. As in my country and several others, parties that have a profile of being skeptical about immigration have had up to 15-20 per cent of the vote.

Norway suffered a national trauma last year as a result of the mass killing of 77 people, including 69 at a youth camp on Utoya island, by a right-wing, anti-Muslim fanatic. How is it possible to explain such an event in Norway, a nation known for its peaceful tolerance?

(Dr. Brundtland would not comment on specifics because of the ongoing trial of confessed killer Anders Behring Breivik; he testified that he had intended to assassinate Dr. Brundtland, who had been on Utoya for the Norwegian Labour party’s annual youth summer camp. The former Labour prime minister left before the gunman arrived).

People who are different from most of us are in every society. It can happen anywhere. So the shock for Norwegians was clear, because we hadn’t seen anything even close to what happened. We had so far been lucky. We hadn’t even had a school shooting. But in every society, there are people who are outliers. Although this is very large, very dramatic, very terrible, it happened in Norway this time, it could have happened in another place. That is my opinion.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... nt=2411704


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What kind of model is Norway adopting as far as natural resource development?

Norway is an oil-and-gas producing nation with a strong environmental policy. We have the petroleum fund. We call it the Pension Fund; it’s there so that the financial benefits from the development and extraction of oil and gas are not used only by our generations, but saves it for future generations.
Ok, so how does this pension fund help the environment?


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What kind of model is Norway adopting as far as natural resource development?

Norway is an oil-and-gas producing nation with a strong environmental policy. We have the petroleum fund. We call it the Pension Fund; it’s there so that the financial benefits from the development and extraction of oil and gas are not used only by our generations, but saves it for future generations.
Ok, so how does this pension fund help the environment?


Investments in superior tech, I'm assuming.


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The pension fund is mostly invested out of the country to prevent inflation and a petro Krone. I don't think the petroleum fund does much for the environment directly, but it does prevent some kind of wild boom where people consume like mad - that does help the environment. And Norway has strong environmental protection otherwise.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:17 pm
 


Below shamelessly purloined from a blog.

A summary of the AGW story: driving on your car wheel rims.
First the right front Global Warming tire blew out and peeled off, followed by the left front Climate Change tire, then the right rear Climate Disruption tire, and now that the last tire is going flat, the steering is problematic at best.
It’s a good thing somebody remembered to bring the emergency mountain bike, to enable backpeddling. :D


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A fixie mountain bike, now that's hard core.


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Maybe Norway should worry about its own impending social collapse before they presume to lecture us.


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Yep, Europe is in no position to lecture anyone.


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SprCForr SprCForr:
Yep, Europe is in no position to lecture anyone.


They have NEVER been in a position to lecture anyone else yet that never stops them from sneering at anyone who has the audacity to not consider the opinions of London, Paris, Brussels, and Bonn before doing anything.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
SprCForr SprCForr:
Yep, Europe is in no position to lecture anyone.


They have NEVER been in a position to lecture anyone else yet that never stops them from sneering at anyone who has the audacity to not consider the opinions of London, Paris, Brussels, and Bonn before doing anything.


Brussels being the major player.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
SprCForr SprCForr:
Yep, Europe is in no position to lecture anyone.


They have NEVER been in a position to lecture anyone else yet that never stops them from sneering at anyone who has the audacity to not consider the opinions of London, Paris, Brussels, and Bonn before doing anything.


It's never stopped the US from the same behavior on a global scale either so add yourselves to the list.


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I liked the Norsemen more back when they weren't such a bunch of pussies.


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Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
It's never stopped the US from the same behavior on a global scale either so add yourselves to the list.


In comparison with the two over the last 100 years or so I'd be more inclined to take advice from the US as opposed to Europe.


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Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
It's never stopped the US from the same behavior on a global scale either so add yourselves to the list.


Do me a favor and stay out of my country.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
It's never stopped the US from the same behavior on a global scale either so add yourselves to the list.


Do me a favor and stay out of my country.


Nice retort.


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