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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:57 am
 


BartSimpson wrote:
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It's brilliant play by Trump. Embrace the fake news and point the finger at the legitimate news agencies as the source of the problem.


What's a 'legitimate news agency'?

Is that a news agency owned by billionaires and corporations you like?



^ This is actually at the heart of the problem. Notice that the article points to faith in the media declining two decades.

This is right about the time that a lot of local North American print media and main tv networks started getting bought up by big conglomerates who pushed the news room to sensationalist coverage.

Starting in this era, the public also starts to hear about cases of corporate head office meddling in the newsroom to try and kill stories that are controversial, unfriendly to advertisers, or because of an empty legal threat. This also erodes public trust in the news.

It's also the start of the 24-hour news cycle with the advent of CNN and therefore a need generate 24-hour ratings-worthy news. Instead of real news and analysis, we get breathless wall-to-wall coverage of "true crime" like the OJ Simpson media circus, Jon Benet Ramsey, Lacey Peterson, etc. etc. turning news into infotainment.

At the same time we get Fox News, deliberately cutting news with right-wing opinion at toxic levels to create a politicized bubble for like-minded people to live in.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:20 am
 


BartSimpson wrote:
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Reality has a liberal polarization.


No, your perception of reality is skewed by your polarization. That's all.


No, my expectation is that an event actually happened and is then reported accurately.

Take your earlier anecdote. Were there evacuations in California neighbourhoods? Yup. But because NBC News didn't have footage of the actual event and instead used incorrect 'stock footage' of another SWAT team, you label it 'fake news'. Yet, it actually occurred.

That's a polarized bias that turns an actual event marred by poor editing into a conspiracy to deceive.

That other stations reported the event gives credibility to it's validity.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/34551195/evac ... ornia-rain

But you've taken poor choices in the stock footage department as a factual bias in reporting.

I could go on about all the actually fake news posted in places like The Rebel or Brietbart, but that would be redundant and ineffectual as people still use those as sources despite them being caught in lies. CBC, BBC, DW etc. may have a bias based because human reporters have personal opinions, they don't however make up their own news stories out of thin air.


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DrCaleb wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
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Reality has a liberal polarization.


No, your perception of reality is skewed by your polarization. That's all.


No, my expectation is that an event actually happened and is then reported accurately.

Take your earlier anecdote. Were there evacuations in California neighbourhoods? Yup. But because NBC News didn't have footage of the actual event and instead used incorrect 'stock footage' of another SWAT team, you label it 'fake news'. Yet, it actually occurred.


Actual video of the D-Day invasion:



It actually occurred, right? So what difference does it make?


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BartSimpson wrote:
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No, your perception of reality is skewed by your polarization. That's all.


No, my expectation is that an event actually happened and is then reported accurately.

Take your earlier anecdote. Were there evacuations in California neighbourhoods? Yup. But because NBC News didn't have footage of the actual event and instead used incorrect 'stock footage' of another SWAT team, you label it 'fake news'. Yet, it actually occurred.


Actual video of the D-Day invasion:

It actually occurred, right? So what difference does it make?


A great deal. Using the wrong footage of the event, or footage of another event, doesn't mean the actual event never occurred. It was just misrepresented.

Like that time the guy was trapped on Mars for months and no one noticed.



Quite a stretch from Dan Rather making up letters that didn't exist and reporting on it, to some editor grabbing footage of the wrong SWAT action.


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