[ASLplease]

New International Version (©1984)
"If a man steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters it or sells it, he must pay back five head of cattle for the ox and four sheep for the sheep.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"If someone steals an ox or sheep and then kills or sells it, the thief must pay back five oxen for each ox stolen, and four sheep for each sheep stolen.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and kills it or sells it, he shall repay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"If a man steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters it or sells it, he shall pay five oxen for the ox and four sheep for the sheep.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
[The LORD continued,] "Whenever someone steals a bull or a sheep and butchers it or sells it, he must make up for the loss with five head of cattle to replace the bull or four sheep to replace the sheep.

King James Bible
If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

American King James Version
If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

American Standard Version
If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall pay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

Bible in Basic English
If a man takes without right another man's ox or his sheep, and puts it to death or gets a price for it, he is to give five oxen for an ox, or four sheep for a sheep, in payment: the thief will have to make payment for what he has taken; if he has no money, he himself will have to be exchanged for money, so that payment may be made.

Douay-Rheims Bible
If any man steal an ox or a sheep, and kill or sell it: he shall restore five oxen for one ox, and four sheep for one sheep.

Darby Bible Translation
If a man steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it, he shall restore five oxen for the ox, and four sheep for the sheep.

English Revised Version
If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall pay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

Webster's Bible Translation
If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

World English Bible
"If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and kills it, or sells it; he shall pay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

Young's Literal Translation
'When a man doth steal an ox or sheep, and hath slaughtered it or sold it, five of the herd he doth repay for the ox, and four of the flock for the sheep.


Liberal Party of Canada Translation
"If you interfere or stop a man from stealing your ox or sheep, you will have to pay a fine 5 times that of the value of an ox, and will be judge by the law four times greater than the theif"

[martin14]

[BartSimpson]

+1

[andyt]

New Testament version:

Quote:

But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” Matthew 5:39

What a commie pinko liberal He was.

[BartSimpson]

andyt wrote:

New Testament version:

Quote:

But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” Matthew 5:39

What a commie pinko liberal He was.

This would be where I fail as a Christian. Strike me on the cheek and you will draw back a bloody stump where your hand used to be.

[jason700]

Exactly... WWJD?

a)Would he interfere with a man stealing his sheep?
b)Would he shoot the man?
c)Would he take into consideration that the thief likely very hungry and allow him one sheep?
d)Would he open the pen and allow the thief to take all of the sheep knowing full well that the thief will be judged in the afterlife?
e)Jesus never existed.

[andyt]

BartSimpson wrote:

andyt wrote:

New Testament version:

Quote:

But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” Matthew 5:39

What a commie pinko liberal He was.

This would be where I fail as a Christian. Strike me on the cheek and you will draw back a bloody stump where your hand used to be.

Then you're not really a Christian, right? Not at least trying to follow your God. More of a Jew, really, all about the OT. I'm not saying following Yeshua's teachings is easy, but I think that was sorta his point.

[andyt]

jason700 wrote:

Exactly... WWJD?

e)Jesus never existed.

You can prove this? Anyway, his teachings exist. Are they wrong?

[BartSimpson]

andyt wrote:

Then you're not really a Christian, right? Not at least trying to follow your God. More of a Jew, really, all about the OT. I'm not saying following Yeshua's teachings is easy, but I think that was sorta his point.

I follow my God, but I'm not a 'lay-down-and-die' Christian. Martyrdom is for someone else.

[andyt]

BartSimpson wrote:

andyt wrote:

I follow my God, but I'm not a 'lay-down-and-die' Christian. Martyrdom is for someone else.

Any other major teachings of your God you ignore? Like I say, more of a Jew than a Christian. (Course many people say that Yeshua's teachings aren't unique to him, and that Hillel for instance put out a lot of them long before that virgin birth.)

[Freakinoldguy]

Now that was one hell of alot of typing just to slag liberals.

You either have to much time on your hands or really hate what they stand for.

Either way, well done.

[jason700]

andyt wrote:

jason700 wrote:

Exactly... WWJD?

e)Jesus never existed.

You can prove this? Anyway, his teachings exist. Are they wrong?

I never said "e)" was my answer... but good guess.

I'm not the one claiming he existed. Sorry, but the onus is on the Christians. The ideas presented in the Bible existed long before Christianity.

What IS the right answer from a Christian standpoint then?

[andyt]

jason700 wrote:

What IS the right answer from a Christian standpoint then?

I have no idea. But philosophically you can't prove the absence of something. Jesus scholars seem to be agreed that Yeshua ben Joseph did exist. How accurate the bible is in describing his life and teachings is another matter. And I fully agree that what he taught existed long before him. Huxley called it the Perennial Philosophy, Wilber the Perennial Psychology.

[ASLplease]

jason700 wrote:

What IS the right answer from a Christian standpoint then?

I think the christian standpoint has always been love the sinner, hate the sin.

[jason700]

andyt wrote:

But philosophically you can't prove the absence of something.

Exactly. That's why when one claims that something exists, the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.

"There exists an alternate universe where the people are the pets and the cats are the masters. Prove me wrong."

See what I mean?

andyt wrote:

Jesus scholars seem to be agreed that Yeshua ben Joseph did exist.

Probably because they came to this conclusion before they even began studying it. Who are these scholars?

andyt wrote:

How accurate the bible is in describing his life and teachings is another matter.

If he did exist, I would agree here.