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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:18 pm
 


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Lorne Gunter, National Post · Aug. 12, 2011 | Last Updated: Aug. 12, 2011 3:03 AM ET

What do Obamacare, the London riots and a possible French debt crisis have in common? They are all proof that Western governments have grown beyond all reasonable, sensible limits. All these examples, and many more, demonstrate that we have grown utterly dependent on a ubiquitous state. Without one, we are at a loss about what to do.

We have lost the ability to fend for ourselves and think for ourselves. Like teenagers accustomed to electronic stimulation to occupy their minds every waking minute, we have no idea what to do when the power goes out. We are dumbfounded that the TV does not come on to amuse us, or the Xbox or iPod or smartphone.

In short, we no longer know how to be self-reliant.

I once worked for a wise man who said the only people worth keeping company with were people who first had learned to enjoy their own company. When it comes to our demands and expectations of government, too many of us have become mewling infants who no longer even attempt to provide for ourselves and loved ones. We demand instant gratification from the state and complain loudly (or even riot) when it is not provided - when we are forced to rely on our own company.

And I am not talking solely of lifelong welfare recipient or habitual EI claimants. I am talking about middleclass voters who screech at the mere suggestion that they pay a portion of their "free" health care, education or pensions. I'm referring to causepleaders who run to government commissions claiming infringement of their rights every time fate deals them a less-than-ideal hand. Even people who think there is a social good in bicycle paths or parks or waterfront boardwalks, and therefore a common obligation to fund them through tax dollars.

And I also mean executives who want the state to use its coercive power to limit competition or to tax money away from working people to fund massive business-stimulus programs. A CEO demanding a bailout to mitigate bad business decisions they've made is every bit as guilty of this as a welfare advocate who claims it is the state's duty to provide everyone with cable television, highspeed Internet, sports for their kids and hobby supplies so no one feels isolated from mainstream society.

Just look what was done in the U.S. last week in the name of a caring society. The Health and Human Services department decreed that all private insurers must provide free birth-control pills for all women, plus breast-feeding equipment and even sterilization if desired, without charging extra premiums or deductibles. Not even very wealthy women need pay for their contraceptives.

But there is no free lunch (or, in this case, free nooky). Someone must always pay. If it is not going to be the person using the service, then it will have to be other consumers or taxpayers. Because U.S. taxpayers are unlikely to support free birth control for all, the Obama administration decided to make everyone with health insurance pay for family-planning drugs and procedures through what will surely be higher premiums for all.

So to with the French debt crisis (and the Greek, Irish, Icelandic, Spanish and Italian debt crises - even the American one). In each case, the culprit is a state grown so large it has over-promised benefits, oversold citizens on what they have a "right" to but can no longer expect.

The rioters in Britain may claim they are smashing, burning, beating and grabbing because the government has not provided them jobs or opportunities, but most such claims are ludicrous. The generations of the last 40 years are the most-provided for in history. They have received more social benefits then anyone, ever.

But even if their claims of neglect were valid, that would be no justification for their lawless action.

The rioting is a culmination of decades of liberal social theorists and politicians telling us that there are no consequences to our bad behaviour - we are not responsible, so should not be punished - and also we have a right to expect our every desire to be fulfilled. If there are others who have more than we do, that's unfair. The "rich" should be made to pay. When the state ceases to provide us with all we have come to expect, most write their MPs or march in protest. But it should come as no surprise that some in society loot to get what they have been told is their birthright.

Unless and until we get over our belief that government can and should try to solve every social ill, and tax away productive money to pay for its experiments, the debt crises and riots and failed social programs will continue to pile up.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:46 pm
 


This is almost like baiting the trolls. :lol:

Good post. The fellow is right. This crowd (of which I suspect our friend Andy is of the same vintage) is the most spoiled bunch of brats in history. They want free health care, free university educations, lifetime guaranteed union jobs followed by impossibly generous pensions AND impossibly generous government retirement benefits and they want it all done on the backs of anyone who has $1 more than they do.

Or they riot.

Correction.

What we saw in London wasn't a riot.

It was a tantrum.


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BartSimpson wrote:
This is almost like baiting the trolls. :lol:

Good post. The fellow is right. This crowd (of which I suspect our friend Andy is of the same vintage) is the most spoiled bunch of brats in history. They want free health care, free university educations, lifetime guaranteed union jobs followed by impossibly generous pensions AND impossibly generous government retirement benefits and they want it all done on the backs of anyone who has $1 more than they do.


It's what our fathers got, isn't it?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:47 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
This is almost like baiting the trolls. :lol:

Good post. The fellow is right. This crowd (of which I suspect our friend Andy is of the same vintage) is the most spoiled bunch of brats in history. They want free health care, free university educations, lifetime guaranteed union jobs followed by impossibly generous pensions AND impossibly generous government retirement benefits and they want it all done on the backs of anyone who has $1 more than they do.

Or they riot.

Correction.

What we saw in London wasn't a riot.

It was a tantrum.

Sometimes they riot even when they have such things.
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It's what our fathers got, isn't it?

If someone in the USA said that, the begged-for response would be "And look how much debt we're in." Not the full reason, but part of the reason.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:51 pm
 


Awesome article! R=UP

Sad what we've (well, not all of us) allowed ourselves to become isn't it?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:21 pm
 


I don't agree that the government can't do everything, I'd add a caveat that it can't excel at everything.

I equate Lorne Gunter with Ezra Levant and right wing extremists. If Gunter and his ilk had their way, the poor would starve, the sick would suffer and the wealthy would have low taxes.

That's not my vision of Canada in any way, shape or form.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:35 pm
 


Strutz wrote:
Awesome article! R=UP

Sad what we've (well, not all of us) allowed ourselves to become isn't it?




As a society, yes.

We have become weak , fat, and a collective bunch of spoiled brats.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:55 pm
 


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Sometimes they riot even when they have such things.
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That's the Berlin Wall coming down. You calling that a riot?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:58 pm
 


Brenda wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
This is almost like baiting the trolls. :lol:

Good post. The fellow is right. This crowd (of which I suspect our friend Andy is of the same vintage) is the most spoiled bunch of brats in history. They want free health care, free university educations, lifetime guaranteed union jobs followed by impossibly generous pensions AND impossibly generous government retirement benefits and they want it all done on the backs of anyone who has $1 more than they do.


It's what our fathers got, isn't it?
Yep. Actually I caught the tail end of it, but but by then people took it for granted. Our fathers still fought for getting those things and appreciated them. Now everybody's Joe the Plumber and they too will be rich so fuck everybody else and all this co-operation nonsense. Middle class is for schmucks.


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Oh, my. People at all levels are irresponsible. This has been going on forever, and is what that big religions of the world try to address. The article is a sermon, thanks. And these days there's a sense of entitlement by everyone, from the rich down to the bottom. But the most the Western countries have big problems, big problems with their economies. Endland is well known for having a class system, and the situation at the bottom is not good, people are a bit stuck. Historians call these disruptions beer riots, when disparity grows to large the people at the bottom will do something legal. More to the point is what is your own role in it. You have to talk like that, talk modestly, or all the discussion will be is blame.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:31 am
 


It's an opinion only coming from someone who's sole claim to fame is jotting down opinions. He may make a living doing so but what is he really contributing to the whole of society. He's lucky he's employed at all.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:39 am
 


Wada wrote:
It's an opinion only coming from someone who's sole claim to fame is jotting down opinions. He may make a living doing so but what is he really contributing to the whole of society. He's lucky he's employed at all.


Do you subscribe to any oppostite opinions offered by " someone who's sole claim to fame is jotting down opinions. He may make a living doing so but what is he really contributing to the whole of society. He's lucky he's employed at all"?

Or are you just hard over on someone offering an opinion that differs from your nown?


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No I'm saying it's just an opinion. Didn't say whether I agreed or not and neither did you.


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Journalists have to churn out copy, and punctuate it with a smartie pants conclusion. No one takes them too seriously, although they do have a great position to be heard.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:54 am
 


Wada wrote:
No I'm saying it's just an opinion. Didn't say whether I agreed or not and neither did you.


Okay then.

I happen to agree with it... to a point. I think we've reached (or will reach with the grey tsunami) a time when we can no longer afford the way we do business. I have supported and still support our welfare state... to a point. I rather support workfare, I rather support longer prison terms for offenders, I'm having less support for the massive bailout for companies that made bad decisions and I have little support to the massive pensions for politicians.

I'd add more, but frankly, I was up early for a field ex and I'm going back out again with not a lot of sleep. :wink:


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