[ridenrain]

1998. Patients in Ontario waiting for Surgery:1,482.
For the Queen's representative: two tiara health care.
No comments on this one either?

[bootlegga]

Sometimes it depends on the injury/ailment. I know that if you hurt your knee seriously, like tearing the patella or ACL/MCL, they have to get you an MRI almost immediately, because if they don't operate in under 48 hours, you will permanently lose function in that knee.

Still, isn't this what the right always wants? Those with money and/or influence can buy what they want when they want it and the rest of us can wait for hell to freeze over. I would think this would be a victory for the Conservatives.

[Proculation]

If you have the money to pay for it, you can get into a private clinic. You just have to pay from your pocket.
The problem is that I think the pocket we are talking about here, is actually ours.

[Proculation]

I don't accuse. I simply note that there's good chance it's money from our taxes.
Haven't read the news lately ? She has already been accused of using tax dollars to live her fancy life.
All that just for an obsolete symbol.

[ridenrain]

On a quick look, those were the best numbers I could get.

"Clarkson was unexpectedly admitted to a Toronto hospital on Friday after doctors detected a slow heartbeat during a routine appointment."

Most other Canadians, some with serious problems, even those with pre-diagnosed problems are waiting on those lists. One of our local radio investigators are receiving tons of letters. This is one of them:
"When pacemaker number two died suddenly on me, I was left with an extremely slow heartbeat for a month. It took approximately thirty days to get me in for 'emergency surgery' to replace the failed unit. I could walk maybe two blocks at most before turning blue and collapsing from the lack of oxygen."

I have no problem with her paying for the service but that blows a big gaping hole in the "two tier Medicare would destroy Canadian identity and turn us into godawful Americans".

[DerbyX]

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I have no problem with her paying for the service but that blows a big gaping hole in the "two tier Medicare would destroy Canadian identity and turn us into godawful Americans".

Correct. I don't know why allowing people who want to pay extra money for better/quicker care will take anything away from those who don't. It will mean more money in the system and hence more doctors/nurses/equipment.

[Ripcat]

DerbyX wrote:

Quote:

I have no problem with her paying for the service but that blows a big gaping hole in the "two tier Medicare would destroy Canadian identity and turn us into godawful Americans".

Correct. I don't know why allowing people who want to pay extra money for better/quicker care will take anything away from those who don't. It will mean more money in the system and hence more doctors/nurses/equipment.

We won't know what the effects will be until we have a 2-tier system. The not knowing is what scares people.

I feel people should be able to pay out of pocket for faster care but it will be done at a private facility and it won't be better care.(you can't have fee payers jumping the line at public hospitals because the people at the bottom of the list won't ever make it to the top) And private care equals for-profit care so they will cut corners to increase profits.

[Proculation]

Ripcat wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Quote:

I have no problem with her paying for the service but that blows a big gaping hole in the "two tier Medicare would destroy Canadian identity and turn us into godawful Americans".

Correct. I don't know why allowing people who want to pay extra money for better/quicker care will take anything away from those who don't. It will mean more money in the system and hence more doctors/nurses/equipment.

We won't know what the effects will be until we have a 2-tier system. The not knowing is what scares people.

We don't know ? Canada is the only country having only one 100% public healthcare system putting aside North Korea and Cuba. Even the most socialist states in Europe accept private healthcare. So, I guess we could discard that. And maybe we could look at others, like France that is ranked first in healthcare services. There you pay for your service and get refunded at 70%. The other 30% you can get a private insurance for it.
Here we have 100% and if we would allow private insurance and healthcare, everything would crashed and nobody could afford the system ? That's nonsense !

[ridenrain]

No! We can't even discuss this tabboo subject because then you'll be labled un-canadian or worst, a godless American. That's the policys of the party of hate, the Conservatives, lead by the anti-crist of bad hair..froth, froth..froth.

Seriously, Canadians need to talk about this because there are less and less of us who are paying and more and more of us who are going to need it.

[RUEZ]

bootlegga wrote:

Still, isn't this what the right always wants? Those with money and/or influence can buy what they want when they want it and the rest of us can wait for hell to freeze over. I would think this would be a victory for the Conservatives.

No they want the government to step up and fix healthcare, if not then don't try and block people who have the money and want to buy better care. We have billions of dollars in surplus. WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE LIBERALS WAITING FOR?

[bootlegga]

Proculation wrote:

We don't know ? Canada is the only country having only one 100% public healthcare system putting aside North Korea and Cuba. Even the most socialist states in Europe accept private healthcare. So, I guess we could discard that. And maybe we could look at others, like France that is ranked first in healthcare services. There you pay for your service and get refunded at 70%. The other 30% you can get a private insurance for it.
Here we have 100% and if we would allow private insurance and healthcare, everything would crashed and nobody could afford the system ? That's nonsense !

Actually, I don't know about where you live, but in Alberta, there are private MRI clinics, laser eye surgery and dentistry offices, so we already have 'private' healthcare, at least in Alberta. It's definitely not 100% public care here. My sister paid $700 for an MRI last spring instead of waiting 4-5 months like everyone else. Now that is great for her, but if it had happened to me, I would have had no choice but to wait because I can't afford $700 for an MRI.

The biggest fear many Canadians have is that wealthy people will buy all the healthcare they need from a private system, leeching the best doctors and nurses to the private system, leaving mediocre staff for the the rest of us who can't afford $700 for an MRI or toher services. What happens if it comes to something like heart surgery? The best doctors will go where they are paid the best (private healthcare) and leave the rest of us schmucks with the average doctors (This is what happens in the US with their two-tier system BTW). This means the middle class and poor will recieve a poorer quality healthcare than the rich. In a country like Canada that tries for equality, that is unacceptable.

[Proculation]

I live in Quebec and what i'm talking about is healthcare insurance.
Yes you can pay for healthcare but it's not covered by any insurance since the only one is own by the government. And that insurance is only valuable if you use public healthcare.

That's the problem

[Lord-Beaverbrook]

ridenrain wrote:

1998. Patients in Ontario waiting for Surgery:1,482.
For the Queen's representative: two tiara health care.
No comments on this one either?

She is a fascist whore and should be hanged! Or just be forced to pay back all the money she has wasted over the years just having a good time and doing basically nothing.

[Giselle]

I found it funny that she would go to a public hospital in the first place, I just assumed she would have some private facility built in house.

As for the doctors going where the money is? Salary Cap Salary Cap.. Ya right like that would ever happen.

[RoyalHighlander]

I had 2 MRI's in the space of a month , they were paid for by Workers comp of Ont.. I waited all of a week for them to approv and set the appoint up for me.... Yes money talks, Bullshit walks huh??