desertdude desertdude:
OK so my choice of words in my initial post were a bit more sarcastic
And I was sarcastic in return over how Israel can afford more than just the US government.
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than your pro Israel stomach could handle and sent you into a tail spin,
Wait, I went into a tailspin? You're the one who wrote two and a half paragraphs saying I got
you you:
twist in your panties everytime someone say something about your favourtist and bestest place on the planet Israel
and saying how I need real world experience and bullshit like this.
I did not call you antisemitic in my first post in this topic. I know why you got that impression though, because you know that what you said is antisemitism, and not criticism of Israel. Your criticism of Israel only came after my sarcastic response to you, over pro-Israel lobbying.
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but look into the Dispatch episode I posted, the lobbies certainly do have a great deal of influence and clout with influential political personnel and thats just the UK, US is probably 10 times stronger.
If you were trying to make a point about how pro-Israel groups uses lobbying organizations to help gain support in foreign countries, all I have to say is...so what? Organizations of all political ideologies and causes use lobbying in just about every country. Climate change proponents and skeptics, major corporations, and major governments do it too. This isn't a big surprise to anybody.
Hell, Canada has an Office of the Commissioner of Lobbying to regulate lobbying in this country, and no doubt, if I cared to dig enough, that the Canadian government has supported pro-Keystone XL lobby groups in the United States. All your insults about me needing "get out of school" and other bullshit like that, and yet, you think I'll be surprised by the existence of AIPAC?
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And whats wrong with calling a spade a spade, Canada current govt has blindly supported Israel till date, wouldn't be too far a stretch of imagination to see Israel rewarding such stiff support specially when even its closet allies are starting to show signs of stress fractures. Although it seems like in this case they havent and poor you are actually paying for this trip from your tax dollars. But Im sure you don't mind since your such a friend of Israel.
Oh shit, Prime Minister Harper uses taxpayer dollars for an official visit to a foreign country! I mean, he's never done this for any other country other than Israel! Nope, all Canadian government officials, like the Governor General, only use their own money when they go on trips abroad. (since you took issue with the rolling eye smiley, this was also utter sarcasm)
Jesus Christ, I should be outraged by this? The delegation is large, but it's also the first visit by the Prime Minister to Israel, in an effort to increase economic, and cultural cooperation and exchange. Just as an example, the Governor General's visit back in 2005 to Iceland, Finland, and Russia, contained dozens in their delegation.
http://archive.gg.ca/media/doc.asp?lang=e&DocID=4017And from what I can tell, the list doesn't contain actual politicians, like ministers, or the support staff of the Governor General.
After all my schooling and assignments and such, I entered the real world, and realized that politicians of all ideologies, all parties, and all nationalities will do things like this. Is the delegation excessive? Sure, it could certainly be argued, but with my "real world" knowledge, I also realize that it'll keep on happening, and they'll use taxpayer dollars for it. This isn't unique to Harper and Israel.
The best part is? After Israel, he goes to Jordan, most likely with the same extensive list of various leaders of Canadian business and politics. Again, this is par the course for Canadian politics, for better or worse.
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You can writhe and froth all you want over your alleged anti semitism , but amigo a spade is still a spade.
You're right. Your antisemitic remarks are still antisemitic, no matter how many posts you attempt to try to excuse your bullshit. Your personal attacks on me, your bringing up of pro-lobbying groups, and everything else in this topic won't change that, no matter how much you keep trying otherwise.
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P.S : Another lesson Israel is also not a synonym for Jew, Jews or Judaism, so keep you antisemitism in you pants till then to use it in another thread to close down any argument when anyone else again tries to say something negative about Israel or its policies.
See, I'm able to choke down your "arguments" rather easily. So far, after your antisemitic remark, I'll paraphrase your arguments. "Lobbyists bad. Harper delegation too big and uses taxpayer dollars." I countered, and yet, you're still left with your antisemitic statement.
Again, be negative about Israel and policies all you like, but try to use some brain power, instead of relying on the same old, tired "points" about how Israel controls foreign politicians, because they're pro-Israel, and thus "blind" to any issues with Israel.
You want to talk about Israeli settlements in the West Bank? Sure! Go ahead! You want to talk about how Israel military controls the West Bank too? Have fun! But if you think I'll let some one sided circle jerk take part against Israel, like if the Palestinians, or the Arab states, are just innocent victims in the conflict, then I'll call bullshit.
Once again, if you really want to discuss Israel, then do it. If you're going to use sarcastic, antisemitic remarks, and then act all defensive once you're called out on it, I'll call bullshit.
Again, acting as if Israel somehow controls foreign governments/politicians with their wealth, is antisemitism. More importantly, you're not even inviting debate. If you want to talk about the influence of pro-Israel lobby groups, have fun, but don't act like that's what you did in your original post.
P.S. On top of this, why do you think I care if you're Muslim, or not? I don't think I've ever insulted your religious belief, or somehow stated that you being Muslim means you don't have a legitimate opinion on Israel. It's like saying I can't have an opinion on Star Wars since I'm a huge fan of Star Trek. It's silly. If I have done this, I apologize, although I do not believe I have.
THAT BEING SAID. Don't think you can discredit my opinion just because I'm pro-Israel, something you seemingly keep trying to do in this topic. I'm pro-Israel, you're not. My opinion is no less valid than yours. If you have an issue with my pro-Israel opinion, then challenge me on some point. So far, beyond your original, antisemitic post, I haven't insulted your religious beliefs, nor stated that your opinion is invalid because you're anti-Israel. You are trying my patience, however. Admit you were crossing a line with your original post, and then we can have a debate. Continue to attempt to whitewash your statement, by acting like it wasn't antisemitic, or insulting me, then have a good night.