[andyt]

I think Jihadism is the best term. Islamicism isn't very clear.

I'm not sure that we need to re-instate the provisions for detention without warrant, nor compelling witnesses to testify.

But, Bob Rae is playing games when he says “The enemy is not Islam,” Mr. Rae said. “It is the way in which a religion is perverted and hijacked. The common enemy is violent extremism, the deliberate targeting of civilians, and the preaching of hatred. That should be our focus.” That is exactly what Harper was talking about.

[mentalfloss]

DrCaleb wrote:

Your subscription to Google expire, or are you just to lazy to answer your own question?

Google search is not satisfactory.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+harper+illiterate%3F

[andyt]

according to wiki, islamicism refers to Islamic fundamentalism. Islamic fundamentalism isn't the enemy, no more than Christian fundamentalism. Jihadism is the enemy - using fundamentalism to promote violence.

[DrCaleb]

andyt wrote:

I think Jihadism is the best term. Islamicism isn't very clear.

Quote:

Tarek Fatah of the Canadian Muslim Congress said Islamism is a political doctrine and fascist ideology that encourages violence and seeks the destruction of western civilization and that Harper's comments indicate he understands the difference between it and Islam.

"I'm glad that the prime minister of Canada had the courage to speak out and identify the real enemy," he said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... ction.html

(inset into that link:)

Quote:

'Islamicism' and 'Islamism'
Although recent usage has in some cases seen the words used interchangeably, Islamicsm and Islamism are generally defined very differently.

According to many sources, including the CBC's language guide, Islamicism usually refers to the academic study of Islamic culture, history, or religion. An Islamicist is an expert or scholar in this field.

Islamism is usually defined as a political and cultural movement that believes the Qur'an should rule all aspects of life (religious, political and personal). An Islamist could be defined as a Muslim radical or extremist who not only believes that Western values are eroding Islam, but who is prepared to use violence to create fundamentalist Islamic states and enforce Shariah law (the legal code of Islam).

The prime minister's spokesman, Andrew MacDougall, told CBC News that Stephen Harper was "referencing Islamic terrorism — the Islamists" in his reference to the leading threat facing Canada.

[DrCaleb]

mentalfloss wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

Your subscription to Google expire, or are you just to lazy to answer your own question?

Google search is not satisfactory.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+harper+illiterate%3F

Your Google fu is weak, along with your assumption that Muslims wear Turbans.

[andyt]

Note that Harper said Islamicism, so by your definition he got it wrong. And Islamism is too close to Islamicism, hence the confusing usage. That's why I say use Jihadism, it gets to the core of the problem, the violence.

[DrCaleb]

andyt wrote:

Note that Harper said Islamicism, so by your definition he got it wrong. And Islamism is too close to Islamicism, hence the confusing usage. That's why I say use Jihadism, it gets to the core of the problem, the violence.

But a 'Jihad' is widely defined as 'a religious duty' for Muslims, not nessecarally involving violence.

[andyt]

Not Jihadism. We can go round and round on this - there is no perfect term, but Islamism seems to be very problematic with it's similarity to Islamicism, as shown by Harper's comment. It's what allowed Rae to make his idiotic statement. And Islamic fundamentalist inspired terrorism probably isn't going to catch on.

[DrCaleb]

andyt wrote:

And Islamic fundamentalist inspired terrorism probably isn't going to catch on.

Well, it isn't hereditary, if they become homicide bombers early enough.