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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:24 am
 


Harpers ways leave Canadians unhappy: poll

Thu May 10, 6:34 PM
By Joan Bryden
OTTAWA (CP) - Canadians are not impressed with the Conservative government's handling of the Afghan detainee issue or its new green plan, a new poll suggests.
The two issues have dominated parliamentary debate for the last month, during which the Tories' lead in public opinion has evaporated.
A Decima poll, provided exclusively to The Canadian Press, indicates that 55 per cent of those polled believe it's likely that detainees captured by Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan wind up being tortured by Afghan authorities. And 58 per cent believe Canada has an obligation to ensure those detainees are not abused.
On that score, only 33 per cent were satisfied with the government's confused and contradictory handling of the issue; 42 per cent were dissatisfied. Dissatisfaction was highest in Ontario (49 per cent), the province that holds the key to Tory hopes for a majority in the next election, and British Columbia (50 per cent).
The Tory government fared a bit better with its new plan for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Nevertheless, 47 per cent were dissatisfied with the plan while 41 per cent were satisfied. Dissatisfaction was stronger than average among women and residents of Quebec - two core groups the Tories have been trying to woo in bid to secure a majority.
Moreover, two of the leading critics of the plan - environmentalist David Suzuki and former U.S. vice-president Al Gore - were deemed to be more credible than Environment Minister John Baird.
Suzuki and Gore have said the plan will do little to combat global warming while Baird insists it's a major step forward. Asked to choose whose view is more credible, 59 per cent chose Suzuki over Baird (25 per cent) and 44 per cent chose Gore over Baird (34 per cent).
While not exactly encouraging for the Tories, Decima CEO Bruce Anderson said the polls results could have been worse given the pummelling the government has taken on both issues.
"This is not as bad news as some of the coverage might have suggested, but it's certainly the case that this is the agenda that has been dominating and it's not a particularly good one for the Conservatives."
Anderson noted that the 41 per cent satisfaction rate on the green plan is much better than public reaction to the Tories' initial plan last fall and actually higher than current support for the Conservative party. Still, he said the improvement is "perhaps not" as great as the government had hoped.
On the Afghan prisoner issue, Anderson said Canadians are not necessarily blaming the government for torture and abuse of detainees. However, the poll suggests that the government's handling of the matter is at odds with the majority view that torture is occurring and that Canada has a duty to prevent it.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his cabinet ministers initially insisted there was no evidence of torture and that former detainees who'd complained of ill-treatment were not to be believed. They accused opposition MPs who raised the issue of caring more about the Taliban than Canadian soldiers - even though no one suggested any involvement by Canadian troops.
The government was embarrassed when evidence subsequently emerged that it had in fact received - and allegedly tried to hide - warnings that torture is rife in Afghan prisons.
Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor also came under opposition pressure to resign after providing inaccurate information about who, if anyone, was monitoring the treatment of prisoners handed over by Canada to Afghan authorities.
Finally last week, on the brink of a hearing asking Federal Court to block any further transfers of detainees to Afghan authorities, the government hastily signed a new agreement with Afghanistan. It sets out a new process for monitoring the treatment of detainees once they're handed over.
The poll of just over 1,000 Canadians was conducted May 3-7 and is considered accurate within 3.1 percentage points 19 times in 20.


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:10 am
 


hey if you think dion can do a much better job........


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icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
hey if you think dion can do a much better job........


Poll doesn’t mean shit! I wouldn’t worry about it Dion won’t over take this minority government unless Harpers pisses off his religious Christian following’s.

Garth Turner was removed because of his stands on Gay marriage and pressure from REAL of Women we all know what’s going to happen to John Baird in his new roll Minister of Environment if he fails then it’s a lot easier to remove him from cabinet and please there large religious supporters.

Below is from the REAL Women of Canada web site:

The Conservative votes opposing the motion included the votes of six Conservative Cabinet Ministers. These were: John Baird former President of the Treasury Board, now Minister of the Environment; Peter McKay, Minister of Foreign Affairs; Jim Prentice, Minister of Indian Affairs; David Emerson, Minister of International Trade; Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transportation; and Josée Verner, Minister of International Co-operation and Official Languages. The motion was defeated 175 to 123.
Fraudulent Vote
This vote, however, was fraudulent. Although Mr. Harper had given a free vote to his own caucus, this was not the case for the NDP and Bloc Québécois, which required their members to vote along party lines. The Liberal Leader, Stephane Dion, was not much better. Begrudgingly, he allowed a free vote for his MPs on the same-sex marriage motion, but he gravely misled them and the public on the issue by claiming same-sex marriage was a "fundamental" right under the Charter. Either Mr. Dion was deliberately misrepresenting the situation or he is ignorant about the fact that the Supreme Court of Canada has never at any time ruled that traditional marriage was unconstitutional and that same-sex marriage was a "fundamental" right. Canadians and the Liberal party members deserve better leadership than that.
A Lackadaisical Debate
The debate on same-sex marriage was lackadaisical. The party leaders, with the exception of NDP leader Jack Layton, did not participate in the debate. Noted homosexual MPs from the Bloc Québécois, Réal Ménard (Hochelaga - Montreal), NDP Bob Siksay (Burnaby-Douglas), Liberals Bill Graham (Toronto Centre), and Mario Silva (Davenport-Toronto) figured prominently in the debate. However, Christian Liberal lawyer MP John McKay (Scarborough-Guildwood) supported the Conservative motion.


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:43 am
 


the truth is the liberals couldve rolled right over harper if they chose an actual leader and got rid of all their asinine policies..i support harper for the worst reason imaginable..hes the lesser of the 3 evils


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:45 am
 


icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
hey if you think dion can do a much better job........


hehe, ya, that's Harpers salvation right there. The Liberals made a poor choice in Dion.


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sandorski sandorski:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
hey if you think dion can do a much better job........


hehe, ya, that's Harpers salvation right there. The Liberals made a poor choice in Dion.

yeah really!!!! even with my imagination in warp drive i cant think of a worse choice


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sandorski sandorski:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
hey if you think dion can do a much better job........


hehe, ya, that's Harpers salvation right there. The Liberals made a poor choice in Dion.


But yet the latest polls had the LIBS ahead of the CONS.

Doesnt say much for Harper, ay?

:D


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baylee baylee:
sandorski sandorski:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
hey if you think dion can do a much better job........


hehe, ya, that's Harpers salvation right there. The Liberals made a poor choice in Dion.


But yet the latest polls had the LIBS ahead of the CONS.

Doesnt say much for Harper, ay?

:D

where did you ever get that idea??...reality check man!! dion doesnt even have the illusion taking down harper..harper is light years ahead of dion..chretian was turkey #1, martin was even a bigger turkey..and now we have this dweeb of dion who has to be the biggest joke in canadian history..this twerp is NOT a PM in the waiting..bob rae was probably the best chance the libs had..and even then harper wouldve have taken him out..but i will say this about harper..he isnt the g.w.bush lap-dog everyone accused him of being


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icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
baylee baylee:
sandorski sandorski:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
hey if you think dion can do a much better job........


hehe, ya, that's Harpers salvation right there. The Liberals made a poor choice in Dion.


But yet the latest polls had the LIBS ahead of the CONS.

Doesnt say much for Harper, ay?

:D

where did you ever get that idea??...reality check man!! dion doesnt even have the illusion taking down harper..harper is light years ahead of dion..chretian was turkey #1, martin was even a bigger turkey..and now we have this dweeb of dion who has to be the biggest joke in canadian history..this twerp is NOT a PM in the waiting..bob rae was probably the best chance the libs had..and even then harper wouldve have taken him out..but i will say this about harper..he isnt the g.w.bush lap-dog everyone accused him of being


Time will ultimately tell, you never know Dion could winn if Vters dislike Harper enough. I just don't think he'd be much of a PM if he did.


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sandorski sandorski:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
baylee baylee:
sandorski sandorski:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
hey if you think dion can do a much better job........


hehe, ya, that's Harpers salvation right there. The Liberals made a poor choice in Dion.


But yet the latest polls had the LIBS ahead of the CONS.

Doesnt say much for Harper, ay?

:D

where did you ever get that idea??...reality check man!! dion doesnt even have the illusion taking down harper..harper is light years ahead of dion..chretian was turkey #1, martin was even a bigger turkey..and now we have this dweeb of dion who has to be the biggest joke in canadian history..this twerp is NOT a PM in the waiting..bob rae was probably the best chance the libs had..and even then harper wouldve have taken him out..but i will say this about harper..he isnt the g.w.bush lap-dog everyone accused him of being


Time will ultimately tell, you never know Dion could winn if Vters dislike Harper enough. I just don't think he'd be much of a PM if he did.

dion???? noway!!!!


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As much as there is about the Tories right now when looking at the rest of the opposition they really don't seem as "bad". The grits really did screw up with Dion and I think they are once again started to get divided over different issues and views that Dion has. NDP they are crackpots who try to not appear as such. They remind of transformers robots in disguise. They would like nothing more than the government to control all of society. The Greens are much like the NDP now but instead cosy up to the grits. The Bloc is actually the most honest party in the house. Their intentions are quite clear and as long as Quebec remains here they will seek out as much money as possible for them until they leave. Sure it screws over every other province but they don't really care and I don't think many in Quebec do either. At least you know where they stand though. The Tories are not much different than the rest of the parties except they are more moderate in doing things and tend to want to try and look after the economy as much as possible or as everyone lets them.

In the end they are all mostly a bunch of Scallywags and are taking advantage of most voters and people. They all tend to only want one thing and that is power. They will all do anything to get it or keep it including lie, cheat, and steal. So they are all really the same when you look at them each promising things to just try and coo you to put that x beside their mps. The only time they ever ask you what you think is usually when there is an election and for the rest of the year they seem to "know" what Canadians want or more like what they want or tell you what you want. This is why I won't take any of these clowns seriously anymore and will most likely vote for whoever takes less of my money for their own agenda. Less government the better in many ways because the government really knows nothing about really anything.


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icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
where did you ever get that idea?


Well it isnt an idea????

But latest polls showed the CONS trailing the libs!!!

A CON can only CON the people who voted for them for so long!!!


:D


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baylee baylee:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
where did you ever get that idea?


Well it isnt an idea????

But latest polls showed the CONS trailing the libs!!!

A CON can only CON the people who voted for them for so long!!!


:D


Can Anyone smell Avro's mop ?


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baylee baylee:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
where did you ever get that idea?


Well it isnt an idea????

But latest polls showed the CONS trailing the libs!!!

A CON can only CON the people who voted for them for so long!!!


:D


Can Anyone smell Avro's mop ?

please dont tell me that wanker scammed a new IP addy???


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Clogeroo Clogeroo:
As much as there is about the Tories right now when looking at the rest of the opposition they really don't seem as "bad". The grits really did screw up with Dion and I think they are once again started to get divided over different issues and views that Dion has. NDP they are crackpots who try to not appear as such. They remind of transformers robots in disguise. They would like nothing more than the government to control all of society. The Greens are much like the NDP now but instead cosy up to the grits. The Bloc is actually the most honest party in the house. Their intentions are quite clear and as long as Quebec remains here they will seek out as much money as possible for them until they leave. Sure it screws over every other province but they don't really care and I don't think many in Quebec do either. At least you know where they stand though. The Tories are not much different than the rest of the parties except they are more moderate in doing things and tend to want to try and look after the economy as much as possible or as everyone lets them.

In the end they are all mostly a bunch of Scallywags and are taking advantage of most voters and people. They all tend to only want one thing and that is power. They will all do anything to get it or keep it including lie, cheat, and steal. So they are all really the same when you look at them each promising things to just try and coo you to put that x beside their mps. The only time they ever ask you what you think is usually when there is an election and for the rest of the year they seem to "know" what Canadians want or more like what they want or tell you what you want. This is why I won't take any of these clowns seriously anymore and will most likely vote for whoever takes less of my money for their own agenda. Less government the better in many ways because the government really knows nothing about really anything.


I think you give the NDP too much credit. I don't think they even have considered forming a Federal Government nevermind conspiring to control all of Society. Not that it is much of a thing to begin with. I mean Government already controls or influences every aspect of our lives already.


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