[andyt]

We have to be insane to bring in immigrants during times of high unemployment. We also have to be insane to bring in family reunion class as 50% of the total - people who don't contribute to Canada, just take.

Canada is a decent country to live in because of what the Europeans, dominated by English built here. Immigrants who try to change Canada to their culture should ask themselves why they left home in the first place if it was so great.

In boom times it makes sense to allow in people who have specific skills we are short of - but they should come in on temp visas, and only be allowed to become landed when they have proven themselves. Even then, we should spend more attention to training Canadians to do the jobs we need, not be importing people for it.

[CommanderSock]

Jamaicans aren't doing so well.

Most Africans I've personally spoken to all have 1 thing in common.

They believe racism is strong in Canada, and the only way to overcome it is to study hard, and have a higher degree.

That is amazing work ethic and Canada's black population will has a bright future ahead, even if it faces discrimination many will start their own companies.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lee-Chin) is an example.

I now notice that this west African mentality (specifically Nigerian/Ghanian) is rubbing off on young Jamaican men, who are starting to wake up and work their arses off. There is one department in my company office HQ in Toronto that is almost all Jamaicans. Their job is to number crunch and audit.

I believe integration in this city is doing better than in many places around the world.

[ShintoMale]

andyt wrote:

We have to be insane to bring in immigrants during times of high unemployment. We also have to be insane to bring in family reunion class as 50% of the total - people who don't contribute to Canada, just take.

Canada is a decent country to live in because of what the Europeans, dominated by English built here. Immigrants who try to change Canada to their culture should ask themselves why they left home in the first place if it was so great.

In boom times it makes sense to allow in people who have specific skills we are short of - but they should come in on temp visas, and only be allowed to become landed when they have proven themselves. Even then, we should spend more attention to training Canadians to do the jobs we need, not be importing people for it.

nobody is trying to change Canadian culture apart from the amerophiles who were born here and want Canada to be the 51st state and complain about prices and being ripped off due to their expensive, wallet draining habits

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Take a tour to Keele & Eglinton some time and see how the Jamaican "integration" is going. York Memorial has had more lockdowns than all the other highschools in the TDSB combined this year.

york memorial never locked down this year and i can't tell when the last time that school went into lock down mode

[Lemmy]

ShintoMale wrote:

york memorial never locked down this year and i can't tell when the last time that school went into lock down mode

You don't know what you're talking about.

[CommanderSock]

Lemmy wrote:

ShintoMale wrote:

york memorial never locked down this year and i can't tell when the last time that school went into lock down mode

You don't know what you're talking about.

Are Winnipeg, St Johns, Calgary and Edmonton safer than the GTA?

The whole immigrants and diversity creating crime just look at South Africa, blah blah is an American conservative argument that has no place in sensible Canadian politics.

[ShintoMale]

Lemmy wrote:

ShintoMale wrote:

york memorial never locked down this year and i can't tell when the last time that school went into lock down mode

You don't know what you're talking about.

huh? you said york memorial has more lock downs without showing proof and news reports

[Lemmy]

ShintoMale wrote:

huh? you said york memorial has more lock downs without showing proof and news reports

That's right. And you said they hadn't had any without any proof. Since my sister is a teacher at York Memo (she lives on Lonborough Avenue), I'll trust my source.

[kenmore]

CommanderSock wrote:

Jamaicans aren't doing so well.

Most Africans I've personally spoken to all have 1 thing in common.

They believe racism is strong in Canada, and the only way to overcome it is to study hard, and have a higher degree.

That is amazing work ethic and Canada's black population will has a bright future ahead, even if it faces discrimination many will start their own companies.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lee-Chin) is an example.

I now notice that this west African mentality (specifically Nigerian/Ghanian) is rubbing off on young Jamaican men, who are starting to wake up and work their arses off. There is one department in my company office HQ in Toronto that is almost all Jamaicans. Their job is to number crunch and audit.

I believe integration in this city is doing better than in many places around the world.

I found it quite interesting when I went to Jamaica that I didn't hear the same language we hear from Jamaicans who live here.. The people I encountered used impeccible English.

[pakistanif4life]

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[pakistanif4life]

pakistanif4life wrote:

andyt wrote:

We have to be insane to bring in immigrants during times of high unemployment. We also have to be insane to bring in family reunion class as 50% of the total - people who don't contribute to Canada, just take.

Canada is a decent country to live in because of what the Europeans, dominated by English built here. Immigrants who try to change Canada to their culture should ask themselves why they left home in the first place if it was so great.

In boom times it makes sense to allow in people who have specific skills we are short of - but they should come in on temp visas, and only be allowed to become landed when they have proven themselves. Even then, we should spend more attention to training Canadians to do the jobs we need, not be importing people for it.

Hey mate?

There is an active shortage of manpower in Canada. Isn't that what the Prime Minister said?

I was watching a documentary that claims the shortfall of doctors in Canada will double in a number of years if Canada does not ease up its restrictions for these skilled immigrants to practice. In fact many immigrants go away because of the already strict laws. I belong to the community so I know. Coming to find a decent job after studying advanced bio technology courses and having to work at Tim Horton's at 10$ an hour and take extra courses as an international student paying 5000$ is quite a nuisance after all.


This is for BC worst hit by the doctor shortage:

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"Foreign-trained doctors are an untapped resource for BC's ailing health care system," said James. "Over the last four years, the Gordon Campbell government has done nothing to make it easier for foreign-trained doctors to get the credentials they need to practice in BC. My plan would change that."

Currently there are only six residencies available to foreign-trained doctors. The NDP would increase the number of residencies to 20 for general practitioners and create five new residencies for specialists, giving more foreign-trained doctors the opportunity to use their skills helping patients in communities throughout BC.

James said the additional residencies require a $5 million annual commitment from the province. She said the additional funding provides good value for money, given that the expense of educating these doctors has been borne outside BC.

"Currently, British Columbia is training too few doctors to meet current and future demand," said James. "Moving now to increase the number of foreign-trained doctors practicing in BC is a critical step towards alleviating immediate health care pressures, particularly in rural communities."

We immigrants need Canada as much as Canada needs us bro... its a win win situation for all of us so whats the worry? There are some professions where there really is a shortfall in labor. You need engineers according to your own government. You need doctors according to local analysts

And remember employment has been hit worst in those areas where there are very sizable immigrant populations. That includes your largest CMA all the area around Lake Ontario. Toronto's part of this CMA and the City I am living in currently has a total population of 50% immigrants according to government statistics (and 60% immigrants according to other surveys). As a result of the crisis these same immigrants are suffering the brunt because no offense the laws for them to practice in the areas for which they have trained are truly draconian. Even students have to add a school year and waste one year when they come to school in Canada because they are put one grade behind.

Being at the lower end the immigrants are being hit the worst by the economic crisis. There are still jobs out there for Canadians everywhere because you guys already have preference over us.

[andyt]

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There are still jobs out there for Canadians everywhere because you guys already have preference over us.

Pile of crap. If there are jobs, why are so many people unemployed or under employed? You're not really saying they're all immigrants, are you?

Harper saying there will be a worker shortage (not he's talking about the future) is also crap. I've been hearing this stuff since the 70's and it hasn't materialized so far.

As far as skills shortages go, if we had a decent training system, the way Western European countries do, we wouldn't have to import our skilled people, who then it turns out can't practise their skills because of professional blocks, incompatibility between their training and our standars, or their ability to speak English.

We don't have the jobs or the infrastructure to keep taking in masses of people and their grannies that just use the system without having paid into it. Politicians keep immigration high because of block voting by immigrants means they can pick up some seats, and because it pleases the employers who can exploit the workers, keep wages low. It certainly doesn't benefit the average Canadian. But this is Canada, it should be all about benefiting the average Canadian.