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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:44 pm
 


Quebec History Marianopolis colledge . Treaty of Washington. 1871 which is after the bna act You claim Canada became a country with a constitution. Why was Great Britain in its settilment with the United States giving away canadian sovereignt - the free naviation of the St Lawrence by American Ships?The rights of American fishermen in Canadian waters. With John Macdonald appointed as a british commissioner. If Canada Was a sovereign country why was Sir J A. Macdonald negotiating for the british and not protecting canadas interest; a trator or con artist.? How could one country give away anothers sovereign interest in setiling its caaim with another country. History that proves Canada was just a British colony until the Statute of Westminster when they leagaly gave the Canadian people and the provinces their sovereignty.
The only way this was done with the blessing of the P.M.of Canada is because as a colony he was powerles; but went along with the fraud that the B.N.A.Act was something which he knew it was not. Fathers of a con job., not fathers of a confederation., or federation .


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:09 pm
 


Nova Scotia Seperation 1867 All but 2 of 38 members of the legislative Assembly voted in favour of the petition for seperation
That there being no Statute of the Provincial Legislature conferming or ratifying the British North American act, and it never having been consented to nor authorized by the peopl, nor the consent of the Province in any other manner testified, the preamble of the Act reciting that this Provincehas expressed a desire to be Confederated with Canada and New-Brunswick is untrye, and when Your Majesty was led to believe that this province had expressed such a desire, a fraud and imposition was practiced on your Majesty. Read Nova Scotia hansard.
Fraud makes all contracts void. THe british united the colonies into one. That was what the B.N.A.Act did, as it was britans right to control its colonies. Canada was a colony , legaly until 1931.


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Political science classes are just what they say- the science of brainwashing students ,coercive indoctrination to believe government propaganda instead o the actual facts that Canada was a colony until 1931; and the people have never created and ratified a constitution as to how much power they want to give a government.


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the first thing in creating a democracy is soverign free people. When did the people of Canada get their freedom- 1931, Almost ,except for corrupt politician's who wanted to hold onto power.
Next the people have to creat an agreement called a constitution ; and all the people have a right to vote if to accept it or reject it. When it is finally agreeable as voted by a majority of the people it ia called a constitution. .The people of Canada never decided what should be in their constitution; and never ratify a constitution. The dictatorship government along with the Premiers made an agreement, and told you it is your constitution.

First the provinces have to do the process; and then make an agreement with the other provinces if they want to join in a confederation. Then the people have another referendum , to ratify the union.
In your text book how did they teach you a democracy is to be formed and did the people have the freedom to reject it?


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Political science classes are just what they say- the science of brainwashing students ,coercive indoctrination to believe government propaganda instead o the actual facts that Canada was a colony until 1931; and the people have never created and ratified a constitution as to how much power they want to give a government.


Firstly, you’ve never been in a political science at a reputable institution. Secondly, if you have, ask for your money back, because you didn’t gleam crap. Thirdly, take your bush league understanding of mega-constitutional matters and part it as no one is taking you seriously, especially after you thought the BNA act was rendered useless by the Statute of Westminster. You’re done here, bud. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:04 pm
 


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thelaw thelaw:
Political science classes are just what they say- the science of brainwashing students ,coercive indoctrination to believe government propaganda instead o the actual facts that Canada was a colony until 1931; and the people have never created and ratified a constitution as to how much power they want to give a government.


Firstly, you’ve never been in a political science at a reputable institution. Secondly, if you have, ask for your money back, because you didn’t gleam crap. Thirdly, take your bush league understanding of mega-constitutional matters and part it as no one is taking you seriously, especially after you thought the BNA act was rendered useless by the Statute of Westminster. You’re done here, bud. :twisted:
What a wise choice, not beeing Indoctrinated by government propaganda- too bad all they thought you was to follow and ask no questions, just post crap.If you had any factual evidence you would of posted it by now; insted of dooing what you were thought. If You Dont like my post dont keep reading them, . Give it your best explanation ; who requested the Statute of westminstr , why, and what did it do. What changed after the statute was passed?


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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:14 pm
 


Most Political Science grads I have had contact with recently have never really grasped British Common law but are very well versed with the Bolshevik/Trotskyite notions of the 30's.

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thelaw thelaw:
What a wise choice, not beeing Indoctrinated by government propaganda-


Translation: you have little education. It shows. Besides, aren’t you the one that just aped Marianopolis College? Isn’t that “government propaganda”? So not only do lack any relevant education, you’re a hypocrite to boot. Nice work.

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“too bad all they thought you was to follow and ask no questions, just post crap”


All they “thought” me? Jesus, Joseph, Mary and Jacob living in a cottage in the jungle, that was truly embarrassing. I think you owe everyone here an apology for posting that mangled mush. Damn.

$1:
“If you had any factual evidence you would of posted it by now; insted of dooing what you were thought.”


I did – I posted it on the other thread where I schooled your ass on the Statute of Westminster. Remember? You dodged it and then Dayseed whipped you on the law and you slithered away. It’s just been one of those weeks for ya’.

$1:
“If You Dont like my post dont keep reading them”


Actually, I’m doing a public service – I’m correcting your litany of missteps, mistakes and stumbles. It’s a thankless job, but ignorance should be addressed.

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“Give it your best explanation ; who requested the Statute of westminstr , why, and what did it do. What changed after the statute was passed?”


Lazy, Judge Dread, Lazy. I’m not here to all your work for you. If you don’t know, get a book and figure it out, but I’m not about to be your intellectual crutch. Oh no, but won’t books contain propaganda? Noooooooooooooooo


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:48 am
 


Does thelaw know that the Statute of Westminster was a British Act which applied itself to more than just Canada? He's waxing on about "who asked for it" like it was uniquely a Canadian initiative.

Perhaps he should read the Balfour's Declaration (nb thelaw, that's the Earl of Balfour, not the drunk ex-Leaf goalie), fairly enough suggested in part by PM King, but also by other PMs of Dominions.

Damn, this kid is dumb.

Besides, what does S.7 of the Statute of Westminster say anyway? I believe I'll just introduce, you know, a fact to the proceedings here:

S. 7(1) Statute of Westminster, 1931 reads: Nothing in this Act shall be deemed to apply to the repeal, amendment or alteration of the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1930, or any order, rule or regulation made thereunder.

Say! That means that the BNA Act stands as Canada's constitution despite the British Parliament ceasing control of Canada's legislation! What does that mean for our intrepid retard who won't pay his taxes? Why, it means that S. 91(3) of the BNA Act stands! Let's read that section again, such that we may know it together, mkay?

91. It shall be lawful for the Queen, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate and House of Commons, to make laws for the Peace, Order, and good Government of Canada, in relation to all Matters not coming within the Classes of Subjects by this Act assigned exclusively to the Legislatures of the Provinces; and for greater Certainty, but not so as to restrict the Generality of the foregoing Terms of this Section, it is hereby declared that (notwithstanding anything in this Act) the exclusive Legislative Authority of the Parliament of Canada extends to all Matters coming within the Classes of Subjects next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say,--

91(3) 3. The raising of Money by any Mode or System of Taxation.

Pay your fucking taxes.

Won't Pay Taxes Monkey Won't Pay Taxes Monkey:
If Canada Was a sovereign country why was Sir J A. Macdonald negotiating for the british and not protecting canadas interest; a trator or con artist.? How could one country give away anothers sovereign interest in setiling its caaim with another country.


The Treaty of Washington was a brilliant masterstroke by MacDonald you pin head. By surrendering some fishing rights in the Great Lakes publically, MacDonald secured payment from the Americans for it AND got England to back loans for the Canadian Pacific Railway.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:48 am
 


Dayseed: Good job. This dude was starting to irritate me.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:12 am
 


Dec11 1931 The statute of Westminster #rd paragraph. .
"and whereas it is in accord with the established constitutional position that NO law hereafter made by the parliament of the United Kingdom shall extend to any of the said Dominions as part of the law of that Dominion otherwise than at the request and C O N S E T of that Dominion."
read read and reread for all you slow to understand, That includes the B.N.A.act . With the consent of that Dominion; meads by a referendum by the people, not politicians . otherwise it would of said by the government . How many referendums did the other colonies hold and what was their outcome?
2.(1) The Colonial laws validity Act, 1865, shall NOT apply to any law made after the commencement of this Act by the Parliament of a Dominion.
Read No sign of Helen -INVESTIGATEmagazine. and A CONSTITUTIONAL TIMEBOMB
Read Lord Watson(chairman of the privy council maritime bank case (1892, A.C.441 "recognizes the object or raison d'etre of the measure, as stated in the preamble, as MOST important: The object of the Act SUPERSEDES in importance any susequent section. .
Dr.Skelton, under secretary of state for external affairs:"No other country in the World looks to the Parliament of another country for the shaping of its constitution. This solution could only be supported if we believe that Canadians are the only people so INCOMPETENT that they alone amongst the peoples of the world cannot be trusted to deal fairly with the various domestic interest concerned..."
This must be where you come in..
One country can not grant sovereignty to another country ; only to the people it controls,. otherwise the U.S.A.
could of saved billions just by passing an act giving sovereignty to the government of sadam and forcing a constitution on the Iraq people such as the Americans wanted.
All you bashers got is name calling The only way the government deals with political opposition is by an ultra vires corrupt court, and stealing peoples money, and assets.


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Goddammit pinhead, you're not understanding what you're quoting from the preamble and it still doesn't change S. 7(1) of the Statute.

The preamble states that without consent of the Dominion, no law enacted by the British parliament shall have authority in that Dominion. Do you know WHY that is in the preamble? Probably not, but I'll let you try your stunted brain at it first.

Also, you declare that consent of the Dominion means a referendum by the people. Says who? Besides your ignorant opinion, you've got this problem from the British North America Act in determining what the "Dominion" is:

S. 3 BNA Act: It shall be lawful for the Queen, by and with the Advice of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, to declare by Proclamation that, on and after the passing of this Act, the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick shall form and be One Dominion under the Name of Canada; and on and after that Day those Three Provinces shall form and be One Dominion under that Name accordingly.

So dumb-dumb, just who constitutes the Dominion and who can give consent? Why, they covered that in the BNA Act! Check it out:

S. 12 All Powers, Authorities, and Functions which under any Act of the Parliament of Great Britain, or of the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, or of the Legislature of Upper Canada, Lower Canada, Canada, Nova Scotia, or New Brunswick, are at the Union vested in or exerciseable by the respective Governors or Lieutenant Governors of those Provinces, with the Advice, or with the Advice and Consent, of the respective Executive Councils thereof, or in conjunction with those Councils, or with any Number of Members thereof, or by those Governors or Lieutenant Governors individually, shall, as far as the same continue in existence and capable of being exercised after the Union in relation to the Government of Canada, be vested in and exerciseable by the Governor General with the Advice, or with the Advice and Consent of or in conjunction with the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, or any Member thereof, or by the Governor General individually, as the Case requires, subject nevertheless (except with respect to such as exist under Acts of Parliament of Great Britain or of the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland) to be established or altered by the Parliament of Canada.

Uh-oh. The Parliament of Canada can actually dictate to the Governor General.

Therefore, what have we learned on our latest sojourn through the Constitution Act and the Statute of Westminster?

1. The Statute of Westminster specifically doesn't alter the Constitution of Canada.

2. The Statute of Westminster only confers legislative authority to Britain with consent of the Dominion.

3. The Constitution states the Dominion's exercisable power rests in the hands of the Governor General.

4. The Constitution states that the Parliament of Canada establishes the things for the Governor General to exercise his or her power on.

5. Ipso ergo, the Constitution confers the power to consult to the British Parliament on legislative matters to the Canadian Parliament as per the Statute of Westminster.

6. The BNA Act stands as Canada's constitution.

7. The BNA Act gives the federal government rather unlimited taxation powers.

Pay your fucking taxes "Won't Pay Taxes Monkey".


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:48 am
 


Sure is alot of uneducated anarchist drivel being spewed out here...


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Goddammit pinhead, you're not understanding what you're quoting from the preamble and it still doesn't change S. 7(1) of the Statute.

The preamble states that without consent of the Dominion, no law enacted by the British parliament shall have authority in that Dominion. Do you know WHY that is in the preamble? Probably not, but I'll let you try your stunted brain at it first.

Also, you declare that consent of the Dominion means a referendum by the people. Says who? Besides your ignorant opinion, you've got this problem from the British North America Act in determining what the "Dominion" is:

S. 3 BNA Act: It shall be lawful for the Queen, by and with the Advice of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, to declare by Proclamation that, on and after the passing of this Act, the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick shall form and be One Dominion under the Name of Canada; and on and after that Day those Three Provinces shall form and be One Dominion under that Name accordingly.

So dumb-dumb, just who constitutes the Dominion and who can give consent? Why, they covered that in the BNA Act! Check it out:

S. 12 All Powers, Authorities, and Functions which under any Act of the Parliament of Great Britain, or of the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, or of the Legislature of Upper Canada, Lower Canada, Canada, Nova Scotia, or New Brunswick, are at the Union vested in or exerciseable by the respective Governors or Lieutenant Governors of those Provinces, with the Advice, or with the Advice and Consent, of the respective Executive Councils thereof, or in conjunction with those Councils, or with any Number of Members thereof, or by those Governors or Lieutenant Governors individually, shall, as far as the same continue in existence and capable of being exercised after the Union in relation to the Government of Canada, be vested in and exerciseable by the Governor General with the Advice, or with the Advice and Consent of or in conjunction with the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, or any Member thereof, or by the Governor General individually, as the Case requires, subject nevertheless (except with respect to such as exist under Acts of Parliament of Great Britain or of the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland) to be established or altered by the Parliament of Canada.

Uh-oh. The Parliament of Canada can actually dictate to the Governor General.

Therefore, what have we learned on our latest sojourn through the Constitution Act and the Statute of Westminster?

1. The Statute of Westminster specifically doesn't alter the Constitution of Canada.

2. The Statute of Westminster only confers legislative authority to Britain with consent of the Dominion.

3. The Constitution states the Dominion's exercisable power rests in the hands of the Governor General.

4. The Constitution states that the Parliament of Canada establishes the things for the Governor General to exercise his or her power on.

5. Ipso ergo, the Constitution confers the power to consult to the British Parliament on legislative matters to the Canadian Parliament as per the Statute of Westminster.

6. The BNA Act stands as Canada's constitution.

7. The BNA Act gives the federal government rather unlimited taxation powers.

Pay your fucking taxes "Won't Pay Taxes Monkey".
Your 2." The statute of Westminster only confers legislative authority to Britain with the consent of the Dominion." Must be why the politicians still swear allegiance to the queen, and not a Canadian constitution. Then canada is still a colony by your explanation. Its all about your fucking taxes in your government propaganda.


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