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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:43 pm
 


lol

Alright you guys enjoy your little wank session over the corpse of what you've built me up as. I won't play into your BS traps and 'defend myself', there's no need. You're wrong, and I'll keep that comfort to myself.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:05 am
 


See there you go blaming others for constructing a virtual image of you based on what you've posted about yourself. You seem to revel in being seen as a slacker(mostly a good natured extrovert....but a slacker nonetheless). You're seemingly intelligent, but it's a wasted intelligence. Intelligence without any wisdom, or a desire to gain wisdom.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:04 am
 


Whats funny is the tightie righties going after you when it's the Reformacons that are bringing in this legislation. State control doesn't really look any different whether by the left or the right.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:07 am
 


Once again, Andy comes to the table only to take and never anything to offer.. It's nice that some things remain constant...even if it's just Andy's ignorance.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:03 am
 


ShepherdsDog wrote:
See there you go blaming others for constructing a virtual image of you based on what you've posted about yourself. You seem to revel in being seen as a slacker(mostly a good natured extrovert....but a slacker nonetheless). You're seemingly intelligent, but it's a wasted intelligence. Intelligence without any wisdom, or a desire to gain wisdom.


Plus, if I'm wrong, I would certainly like to know why.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:39 pm
 


http://dearthey.com/2012/01/26/a-copyri ... -politely/

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I’m a Canadian.

We’re a quiet bunch; prone to enjoying hockey, drinking stronger beer than our friends south of the border, and lovers of fries smothered in cheese curds and gravy.

We also, apparently, have an inferiority complex when it comes to being evil dirt bags, because we’ve decided to pass our very own version of SOPA up here.

Only better*

Meet Bill-C11. Formerly Bill C-32. (I think they thought if they made the number lower people would care less about it?)

Or as we call it up here; Her Royal Majesty V, Zzzzzzz

We like our politics dry up here.

But, as innocuous as it sounds, C-11 does a whole lot that SOPA did with a few extra twists you might not find in the Wikipedia write-up.

Like your PVR? You can’t keep it under C-11.

Like ripping CDs to your iPod? Say bye-bye.

Hey, do you want to be able to unlock your $500 smartphone and take it to a provider less dedicated to violating your wallet? That won’t be allowed either.

Did you get accused of internet piracy but no evidence has been presented and a trial date hasn’t even been set? Under C-11 your ISP will now be forced to terminate your internet access.

And people say that governments can’t be bought.

We’re not going to get Google or Wikipedia to go dark up here. We don’t have as robust a tech industry to act as a public counterbalance to entertainment industry interests. We have a Prime Minister (that’s French for Dear Leader under the current regime) who doesn’t give a suckling goat what the people think about his policies.

But we do have a lot more recourse in our political system to make politicians pay than our Yankee brethren do. (Yes I know I just insulted everyone south of the Mason Dixon line. I’m sorry. You trying caring about foreign geographical terminology when every person you’ve ever met from a particular country still thinks it’s the height of hilarity to ask if you live in an igloo.) We have things like votes of no confidence that can really bugger up a sitting House member’s day.

So, if you’re Canadian, or you’re friends with a Canadian, or you just really like bacon, click the link at the bottom of this article and share it with as many people as you can.

We can’t afford to lose on this one, Canada.

Besides…

Winners Go Home And Fuck The Prom Queen

-Sean Connery

And he would know.

*And by better, I mean shockingly, horrifyingly worse.

http://www.ccer.ca/canadian-copyright-r ... vengeance/

There are only 14 days left people. Get active.

Updated 10:10 PM Mountain Time

For those who are complaining that C-11 as written isn’t SOPA-like enough to warrant this comparison, please read http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6257/125/ before commenting. Things have changed drastically with respect to this bill in the last week; the really ugly stuff (which has been publicly discussed by members of the C-11 committee.) is in the unpublished modifications in the wake of SOPA’s defeat stateside.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:44 pm
 


Send A Letter To Ottawa To Stop The Canadian DMCA


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:36 pm
 


No don't. They'll put you on a list and come knocking in the middle of the night. What do you think they're building all those prisons for, with a dropping crime rate and all.


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What could this mean to you? Let’s consider a hypothetical case.

The police are very suspicious of Jane Smithers. They think she’s up to no good. If the bill is passed, they will be able to compel Ms. Smithers’ Internet Service Provider to disclose her IP address, mobile number and other identifiers.

They will not have the right to start monitoring Ms. Smithers’ activity. That will require a judicial warrant. But let’s say a judge provides that warrant. Now police will be able to see what websites she visits. They will be able to track her movements, or at least the movements of her mobile phone. They’ll be able to see who she texts and emails. As it turns out, she emails you.


This is basically how getting a wire tap (phone tap) has worked for, well for as long as they were allowed by law. So what's the difference besides this day and age has more that requires tapping?

Not defending the law at the moment, I've not reviewed it more than what I read in the article but am just wondering how it differs. Phone taps were meant to spy on a persons private communications, so is this. From what I can tell it goes a bit further by tracking a users phone, and "inadvertently(?)" catching information like banking etc. which in the past used to require separate warrants to view. In that sense I am a bit concerned it goes to far.

As far as terrorists go the Feds have had a way to do all of the above for over a decade now, it was just a bit more complicated a process. Without revealing how, I have seen reports / transcripts of computer usage of people Public Safety Canada has been monitoring the computers of, and cell phone conversations, movements etc. Sof for them to defend it on the national security card is a bit lame since they do it already, this would just make it easier and faster.

As far as the music and video downloads, I've never been for getting them for free and don't, so nixing those sites does not bother me a bit. You abuse your driving privileges they can suspend your license to drive, why not your internet if you abuse it too? As always however vague wording in bills scares me as who knows what monster will slip in down the road.

Not as much arguing a point as thinking aloud. Need more info on it.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:24 pm
 


Somewhat related precedent even before the proposed new law. Note in one case a warrent was not even used, or, as courts deemed, required.

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by Mike Novakowski

Case Law from February 2012

Saskatchewan's highest court has ruled in two child pornography cases involving Internet Protocol (IP) address information provided to police by the Internet Service Provider (ISP). The court was divided on whether there was a reasonable expectation of privacy in IP account information.
Trapp

In R. v. Trapp, 2011 SKCA 143, an undercover police investigator monitoring peer-to-peer file-sharing on the Internet searched for child pornography images or videos. Browsing a computer's shared folders she discovered they contained child pornography files, generated a history for the corresponding IP address and determined that the Internet ISP was SaskTel, a Crown corporation.

The investigator faxed a letter to SaskTel Security requesting any information relating to the IP address under s. 29.2 of the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (FIPPA). SaskTel faxed Trapp's name and account information, including his address, services he subscribed to, telephone number, e-mail address, login name, cell phone number and television programming details. Police used this to obtain his date of birth, driver's licence number, registered vehicles and a physical description through Saskatchewan's driver licensing and vehicle registration database (SGI).

Officers obtained a warrant to search Trapp's residence and seized a computer from a bedroom. A forensic computer analyst examined it and confirmed there was child pornography in a shared folder. Trapp was charged with several child pornography offences.

At trial in Saskatchewan Provincial Court Trapp asked that the evidence obtained under the search warrant be excluded, submitting his s. 8 Charter rights, among others, were breached when police obtained his information. The judge concluded Trapp's reasonable expectation of informational privacy under s. 8 wasn't infringed because police acted in accordance with s. 29(2)(g) of FIPPA during their investigation.

Trapp was convicted of accessing, possessing and making child pornography available, sentenced to 13 months incarceration plus three years probation and given a three-year s. 161 order, a DNA order and a 20-year sex offender registry order.

Trapp appealed to the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal arguing that police required a warrant to obtain his account information (name, address and telephone number), which revealed intimate details of his lifestyle and personal choices, from SaskTel relative to the IP address it had assigned to his computer. In his view, he had a reasonable expectation of privacy while surfing the Internet and police violated s. 8 by obtaining his account information without a warrant.

The Crown, on the other hand, submitted Trapp had no reasonable expectation of privacy in his account information in these circumstances, suggesting that the subscriber data wasn't acquired biographical information and Trapp had no subjective or objective expectation of privacy.
Search

In assessing whether a s. 8 breach occurred, courts first need to determine whether police conduct amounts to a "search." The onus of establishing that a search occurred lies with an accused (the person invoking the protection). A search occurs if police conduct intrudes upon the person's reasonable expectation of privacy. This will require a subjective expectation of privacy that is objectively reasonable on the totality of the circumstances.

Privacy interests include personal privacy (concerning one's body and bodily integrity), territorial privacy (the places one occupies, such as home or workplace) and informational privacy (information about self). In cases featuring allegedly confidential and private information about a person in the hands of a third party, the totality of the circumstances includes: nature of the privacy interest asserted by the person; the precise nature of the subject matter of the alleged search; the relationship between the third party and the person; the legal framework governing disclosure of the information; the intrusiveness of the alleged search; and such other factors as may bear upon the strength or weakness of the expectation of privacy at issue. If there is no reasonable expectation of privacy there is no search.

In this case, the two member majority concluded that the police conduct constituted a search. Trapp enjoyed a reasonable expectation of privacy in the information police sought and obtained from SaskTel regarding the IP address it assigned to him. He had a subjective expectation of privacy in that information, which was objectively reasonable having regard for the totality of the circumstances. It was used to further the investigation and to obtain a warrant to search his home, seize his computer and search it for evidence.
Reasonable search

If it is established that police conduct amounts to a search, the second step is to ask whether the search was reasonable. A warrantless search is presumptively unreasonable and the Crown bears the burden of establishing reasonableness. A search will be reasonable if it is authorized by law, the law is reasonable and the search is carried out in reasonable manner.

In this case, the majority found the search was authorized by law – s. 487.014 of the Criminal Code. This provision permits a police officer, without a "production order," to request a person voluntarily provide information about another, provided they are not prohibited by law from disclosing it. Police had reasonable and probable grounds to believe an offence was committed and that SaskTel had information affording evidence of it.

Police had every reason to believe SaskTel wasn't prohibited by law from disclosing this information and the company voluntarily released it when asked to do so. Since Trapp never challenged the constitutionality of the section, the law itself was assumed to be reasonable. Further, the search was conducted in a reasonable manner.

Justice Ottenbreit offered a different opinion. Although assuming there was a subjective expectation of privacy in the accused's name, address and phone number respecting his IP address, the totality of the circumstances weighed against an objective expectation. In his view, there was no reasonable expectation of privacy and, therefore, no search had occurred. Since there was no search there was no s. 8 Charter breach.

Trapp's appeal was dismissed and his convictions upheld.
Spencer

In R. v. Spencer, 2011 SKCA 144, a police officer, using file-sharing software, discovered files containing child pornography in a shared folder and identified the computer IP Address. He determined it was assigned to Shaw Communications and requested under the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) the disclosure of customer identifying information relevant to it. Shaw provided the name, address, telephone number, account number and current billing particulars relevant to the address, which turned out to be the accused's sister.

Using the information, police prepared and obtained a warrant to search the residence, where Spencer also resided. Officers discovered a significant quantity of child pornography – 441 distinct images and 112 videos – in a shared folder on Spencer's computer.

At his trial in Saskatchewan Provincial Court Spencer argued that the letter police sent to Shaw requesting the IP address information amounted to an unreasonable search and seizure, violating s. 8 of the Charter, and the evidence should have been excluded. The judge found that Spencer had no reasonable expectation of privacy in the circumstances. He was convicted of possessing child pornography and making it available and appealed his conviction to the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal.
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Justice Caldwell concluded that Spencer's expectation of privacy in the IP information disclosed to police wasn't reasonable, when viewed in the totality of the circumstances, from the perspective of a reasonable and informed person concerned about protecting privacy. In his view, the contractual terms of the agreement his sister had with Shaw, along with the statutory terms of PIPEDA, negated an expectation of privacy. Caldwell stated:

It is clear from the terms of the service agreement that (the accused's) sister had given her express, informed consent to Shaw to disclose the disclosed information to the police in the circumstances of this case. This fact moves the scales considerably more in favour of a finding that (the accused) did not hold an objectively reasonable expectation of privacy in the disclosed information.

However, even if (the accused's) sister had not consented to the disclosure of her personal information, in these circumstances the disclosure would have been permitted under s. 7(3)(c.1)(ii) of PIPEDA. Section 7(3) of PIPEDA supplements the basic rule prohibiting disclosure in the absence of informed consent by setting forth certain disclosure activities which are permitted without the knowledge or consent of the individual in question (paras. 38-39).

Further:

In summary, neither its contractual relationship with (the accused's) sister, as set out in the services agreement, nor PIPEDA prohibited Shaw from disclosing the disclosed information in the circumstances of this case; rather, each clearly provided Shaw with the discretion to disclose information to the police in these exact circumstances and Shaw had (the accused's) sister's express, informed consent to do so. The sum of these factors militates very strongly against a finding that (the accused's) privacy expectation was reasonable (para. 42).

Even if Spencer did hold an objectively reasonable expectation of privacy in the information, Caldwell would have found the search reasonable. It was reasonably conducted and authorized by a reasonable law. There was no s. 8 violation.
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Justice Ottenbreit would have also dismissed Spencer's appeal. He too opined there was no privacy interest in the information police obtained:

In my view, the disclosed information in this case merely establishes the identity of the contractual user of the IP address, who in this case wasn't the accused. The potential that the disclosed information might in this case eventually reveal much about the individual and the individual's activity is, in my view, neither here nor there.

In my respectful view, the fact that the disclosed information is of such a quality that it is capable of being used to assist in obtaining a search warrant which will lead to revealing to the police more intimate details about a person once the warrant is granted and executed, does not take it beyond what it is at this stage – simply name, address and telephone number.

Theoretically, all the assertions in an information to obtain a search warrant have the potential of revealing to the police more intimate details of a person once the search warrant is granted and executed. In this respect the disclosed information has, in my view, no different special quality than any other piece of information that the police may receive prior to the warrant which furthers their investigation (para. 110).

Say three

Justice Cameron doubted Caldwell's assessment that the contractual or statutory terms negated an expectation of privacy but nonetheless would also have dismissed Spencer's appeal. Even if Spencer enjoyed a reasonable expectation of privacy in the information the police sought and obtained from Shaw, the search was reasonably conducted under the authority of s. 487.014(1) of the Criminal Code.

Spencer's conviction appeal was dismissed.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:31 pm
 


New bill to be introduced very soon.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6316/125/


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:33 pm
 


For years the government has been toying with similar Bills. I own a small ISP. Every version of every Bill considered has rules that would not just force me to divulge info, it would force me to install expensive equipment or hire specialized services or technicians. Without any compensation. In a tapped out market where consumer expect lower prices and improved service.
Sorry Mr. Harper. I'm selling out. The ROI sucks as it is, it's too much trouble as it is, I can't take anymore. Fund three more people on EI. I'll be selling at a loss so expect a claim from me too.


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