[martin14]

Curtman wrote:

Again, take a look at what the Government of Harper said.

Quote:

His public–spirited and highly respected father, once an education minister under the Czar, was arrested and jailed in 1918 by the Bolsheviks, but then was miraculously released in time for the family to escape to England.

In England, the neophyte émigrés operated a dairy farm. Young George attended St. Paul’s, a boarding school, until the sale of the farm forced the family to move once again. While his father tried to raise funds in Europe for Russian refugees, Mrs. Ignatieff set out in 1928 with George and his brother, Leonid, for Canada, where two other brothers of George’s, Nick and Jim, had already settled.

Although there was barely enough money for basic necessities, George’s resourceful mother managed to squeeze enough out of the household budget to send her young son to Montreal’s exclusive Lower Canada College. The stock market crash of 1929, however, put an abrupt end to George’s private–school education. With the advent of the Great Depression, Ignatieff and the rest of his family united under one roof in Thornhill on the northern outskirts of Toronto.

2 million in his pocket.. Pffft.

Wait, arent you the one who is always whining the Cons lie about everything ?

Oh, now that it may serve your hackery, NOW they are of course telling the truth.

[Curtman]

I think it's very interesting that the cons are now claiming their own information is wrong, and that Iggy is the one rewriting history.

[GreenTiger]

BartSimpson wrote:

Freakinoldguy wrote:

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Same thing for Ignatieff 's family. Ignatieff's great-grandfather, Nicholas, was personally responsible for some of the most brutal laws inflicted by the Russian czars.

He drafted Russia's May Laws one history book described as "forbidding Jews to move into the countryside, to acquire land, or to open their shops on Sundays."

"When the Jewish leaders asked why they were not entitled to the same protection by the police as other Russian subjects, Ignatieff replied they were not like other Russian subjects ... Jewish shops were smashed and burned ... Delegations of Jewish leaders came to see Ignatieff at the Ministry of the Interior. They told him they were in bondage as under Pharaoh. 'So when is your Exodus, and where is your Moses,' he is supposed to have said in reply."

Quite bluntly, this has nothing to do with Iggy. Blaming Iggy for the behavior of his grandfather who was not immoral in his time is simply character assassination.

None of us would care to have the words of our grandparents and great-grandparents held against us.

I utterly oppose the politics that Iggy represents but I'll also stand to and say that this kind of attack is foul and an utter affront to fairness.

Edit: I'll also add that changing the colour of the retelling of his tale would have more to do with his changing perceptions as a maturing man than any errancy of fact.

There's people who I once thought were a-holes who I now recognize were trying to do the right thing once upon a time. It doesn't make me a liar to see the past through a different lens.

True, Tsarist Russia was a different time and a different place AND A DIFFERENT PERSON.

[commanderkai]

Curtman wrote:

I think it's very interesting that the cons are now claiming their own information is wrong, and that Iggy is the one rewriting history.

I find it even more interesting that you'll flip and flop your way to anything that'll make the Conservatives look bad. Doesn't matter how petty it is.

[Curtman]

I don't see a flip-flop here even re-reading the entire thread. The pettiness isn't from my end, I'm fairly certain of that.

[commanderkai]

Curtman wrote:

I don't see a flip-flop here even re-reading the entire thread. The pettiness isn't from my end, I'm fairly certain of that.

Okay, you don't see how writing about how your family had status and wealth, even after leaving Czarist Russia and coming to Canada is a bit different than acting like you had the Classic Immigrant story?

Really? Come on. Michael Ignatieff is trying to portray himself during this election campaign that truly does not exist in history (that he wrote, in his own book).

[Curtman]

commanderkai wrote:

Curtman wrote:

I don't see a flip-flop here even re-reading the entire thread. The pettiness isn't from my end, I'm fairly certain of that.

Okay, you don't see how writing about how your family had status and wealth, even after leaving Czarist Russia and coming to Canada is a bit different than acting like you had the Classic Immigrant story?

Really? Come on. Michael Ignatieff is trying to portray himself during this election campaign that truly does not exist in history (that he wrote, in his own book).

You keep saying that, but I still haven't seen the quote you are talking about. I just ask if you think the statement “barely enough money for basic necessities” on the government of Canada's website is wrong? But I would like to see the quote you have mentioned 5 or 6 times without citing.