[OnTheIce]

As we're approaching the "Season of Giving", it was nice to see the Liberals throw the CPC another bone.

The NDP and Bloc voted with the CPC to support the Home Renovation Tax Credit and naturally, future plans to increase EI.

How will the Liberals explain to the people of Canada why they voted NO for the Home Renovation Tax Credit?

How will they explain that their decision could have put the brakes on changes to EI without the help from the other parties?

[DerbyX]

Thats easy.

http://money.canoe.ca/News/Other/2009/0 ... 6-sun.html

Quote:

Liberal finance critic John McCallum said he asked Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to put the credit in the spring budget implementation bill so consumers would have certainty, but Flaherty apparently declined.

"I still think it will go through at the end of the day because we will certainly honour it, but people might still have a nagging doubt until it is passed and this could have been avoided," said McCallum.

Ted Menzies, parliamentary secretary for the minister of finance, said there's no reason for consumers to worry. Since the passing of the ways and means motion in the spring, Revenue Canada has been operating under the assumption the credit is law.

Not only did the Liberals insist the CPC make it law long before this only to have them refuse but the Libs will honour it regardless.

[ridenrain]

Since Derby didn't appreciate it the first time..

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Does this mean we failed "probation"?

[DerbyX]

I guess you failed to learn.



canadian-politics-f17/the-longest-running-comedy-t83838.html

[ridenrain]

Still not as funny as a puckering putz.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX wrote:

Thats easy.

http://money.canoe.ca/News/Other/2009/0 ... 6-sun.html

Quote:

Liberal finance critic John McCallum said he asked Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to put the credit in the spring budget implementation bill so consumers would have certainty, but Flaherty apparently declined.

"I still think it will go through at the end of the day because we will certainly honour it, but people might still have a nagging doubt until it is passed and this could have been avoided," said McCallum.

Ted Menzies, parliamentary secretary for the minister of finance, said there's no reason for consumers to worry. Since the passing of the ways and means motion in the spring, Revenue Canada has been operating under the assumption the credit is law.

Not only did the Liberals insist the CPC make it law long before this only to have them refuse but the Libs will honour it regardless.

Ok, so they pout and cry at the expense of Canadians?

I don't get that logic.

What are you going to say at the door: "Sorry, we asked them to put it into law and cause they didn't want to do it when we wanted it done we decided to vote it down".

Quote:

"I still think it will go through at the end of the day because we will certainly honour it, but people might still have a nagging doubt until it is passed and this could have been avoided," said McCallum.

The Liberals didn't honour anything. They voted NO for this tax credit.

[leewgrant]

I think Jack has his tutti-fruttis in a wringer here. He will support the government until the EI bill passes which could be months. And Harper will be in no mood to hurry it along.

The bill has been widely criticized for being so narrow in scope as to offer nothing substantial. Meanwhile the Dips will have to sit in the committee hearings listening to the bill being lambasted but knowing that no matter how poor they might think it is they will have to support it.

The NDP also have this silly notion they can gain seats in Quebec. But not if they support a bill claimed to do more for Ontario.

Quote:

The New Democrats find themselves backing the government after consistently voting against the Conservatives and mocking the Liberals for being ineffectual.

"We would prefer to get action on the issues that people are concerned about, then to have an election," Layton said after the vote on the motion, which also enhances benefits under a tax credit for low-income workers, extends tax deferrals for farmers affected by drought, and relaxes certain tariffs.

The NDP has said it will support the government at least until the passage of legislation that would expand employment insurance benefits for long-tenured workers. Duceppe said yesterday his party would oppose the EI bill after the Conservatives said they would not entertain any amendments.

"It is made for Ontario. It is not made for Quebec," Duceppe said.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Tor ... story.html

[Bodah]

The fact remains there's nothing major the Tories have done to warrant an election, everyone seems to know that except Iggy and his inner circle maybe they do but know if they dont try and pull the plug right now as the economy recovers their chances start slipping away. Infact it has.

They know that if an election would be called the result would be the same at the very least a Con minority or better a majority. What they were really interested or content with would be gaining a few more seats at the expense of 300 million plus at our expense.

Shame.

People are aghast that they voted down the home reno rebate, that's for sure. People wont foget that one.

[Bodah]

DerbyX wrote:

I guess you failed to learn.



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If would of listen to the Liberals demands that hole would be even bigger. Its always damned if you do and damned if you dont with Liberals, its obvious and tiring politiking.

And how does it help the recovery of our economy by stopping everything and having an election ?

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce wrote:

Ok, so they pout and cry at the expense of Canadians?

I don't get that logic.

What are you going to say at the door: "Sorry, we asked them to put it into law and cause they didn't want to do it when we wanted it done we decided to vote it down".

Quote:

"I still think it will go through at the end of the day because we will certainly honour it, but people might still have a nagging doubt until it is passed and this could have been avoided," said McCallum.

The Liberals didn't honour anything. They voted NO for this tax credit.

Its no surprise you can't see past your own partisan hackery to see why Harper deserve jeers for this. He had his chance to put it into law but he choose not to do so because he was more interested in keeping it out as a hedge against just this sort of thing.

Not only have the Liberals said they would honour it but the CRA has said they have been operating as if it were law anyway granting it legal protection.

The Liberals voted to defeat the government not any specific part of the budget because thats how our system works. The reason that credit wasn't already defeated was because the Liberals had already propped them up against the NDP/Bloc who wanted them gone long before and the only reason that credit isn't law is because they refused to do it when they had the chance and they did so for partisan reasons.

[DerbyX]

Bodah wrote:

If would of listen to the Liberals demands that hole would be even bigger. Its always damned if you do and damned if you dont with Liberals, its obvious and tiring politiking.

And how does it help the recovery of our economy by stopping everything and having an election ?

No they didn't. In fact the opposition was quite happy with the budget when it was only around 20 billion in the red but once again we see the cons won't accept any responsibility even when their man pens the legislation.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX wrote:

OnTheIce wrote:

Ok, so they pout and cry at the expense of Canadians?

I don't get that logic.

What are you going to say at the door: "Sorry, we asked them to put it into law and cause they didn't want to do it when we wanted it done we decided to vote it down".

Quote:

"I still think it will go through at the end of the day because we will certainly honour it, but people might still have a nagging doubt until it is passed and this could have been avoided," said McCallum.

The Liberals didn't honour anything. They voted NO for this tax credit.

Its no surprise you can't see past your own partisan hackery to see why Harper deserve jeers for this. He had his chance to put it into law but he choose not to do so because he was more interested in keeping it out as a hedge against just this sort of thing.

Not only have the Liberals said they would honour it but the CRA has said they have been operating as if it were law anyway granting it legal protection.

The Liberals voted to defeat the government not any specific part of the budget because thats how our system works. The reason that credit wasn't already defeated was because the Liberals had already propped them up against the NDP/Bloc who wanted them gone long before and the only reason that credit isn't law is because they refused to do it when they had the chance and they did so for partisan reasons.

Yes, it's called political strategy. Knowing you Liberals would pounce again, as the coalition agreement is still valid till 2011, it was a brilliant political move to wait.

With that said, Liberals voted against the ways and means motion that included a provision allowing the HUGELY popular renovation tax credit to become law. That's fact.

They knew full well, as did the media and everyone else (minus you, it seems) that that provision was within what they were voting for.

Go explain that to Canadians and see if they care for the games being played by either party. They just wanted it law. Period.

DerbyX wrote:

No they didn't. In fact the opposition was quite happy with the budget when it was only around 20 billion in the red but once again we see the cons won't accept any responsibility even when their man pens the legislation.

Who are you trying to kid? Seriously.

Stimulus not enough: Liberals (CPC was putting forth 40 billion - not 20)
http://www.thestar.com/article/583372

Try and get your facts straight.

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce wrote:

Yes, it's called political strategy. Knowing you Liberals would pounce again, as the coalition agreement is still valid till 2011, it was a brilliant political move to wait.

With that said, Liberals voted against the ways and means motion that included a provision allowing the HUGELY popular renovation tax credit to become law. That's fact.

They knew full well, as did the media and everyone else (minus you, it seems) that that provision was within what they were voting for.

Go explain that to Canadians and see if they care for the games being played by either party. They just wanted it law. Period.

Its always political strategy when your guys do it eh? What it really was, was yet another example of Harper no actually wanted to do things for Canadians if it means he loses a bargaining chip in his quest to retain power.

The Canadian public wanted it as law and thats exactly what the Liberals wanted.

DerbyX wrote:

No they didn't. In fact the opposition was quite happy with the budget when it was only around 20 billion in the red but once again we see the cons won't accept any responsibility even when their man pens the legislation.

Who are you trying to kid? Seriously.

Stimulus not enough: Liberals (CPC was putting forth 40 billion - not 20)
http://www.thestar.com/article/583372

Try and get your facts straight. [/quote]

If you can read you'll note that the stimulus cost is around 40 billion, not the actual deficit and you'll also note that he was previously saying (around that time anyway) that they'll run a small deficit. This was what, just a few weeks before claiming a small surplus.