[BeaverFever]

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Not to mention when you have record high unemployment throughout the country, it doesn't make sense to maintain the status quo when it comes to immigration

I does if your'e an employer looking to lower the price of labour and bust unions.

[CommanderSock]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

CommanderSock wrote:

In fact immigrants today probably have more roles in shaping Canada than any of the past immigrant groups have since the British lords and planners.

Oh for sure. All those cab drivers and convenience store owners were in real short supply until we threw open wide the doors of immigration.

And as for trolling, I save that for when I go fishing. Your assertion would hold much more weight if you didn't include "IN fact" and "probably" in the same sentence to describe what you think.
"In fact", means it's a fact. "Probably", means yer guessing.
In other words scooter, you really don't know and just want to troll the thread.

Btw, thank you for supporting my argument. Your claim that the Elitists planned Canada might be true. But they couldn't build shit without those European "peasants" doing the work now could they. It was indeed those "peasants" that built this country. And let's not forget the Chinese that helped build our railways. And in the last Century, those "peasants" built our infrastructure: our homes, our highways and roads, our sewage systems etc.
But yeah, I suppose driving cabs and owning convenience stores are much more important in the building of our nation

And BF, I'm not referring to everyone that comes from the 3rd world as a dreg.
Maybe my wording of it caused confusion. I'm talking about the dregs that come here with nothing to offer Canada and are let in anyway. Certainly there are those from the 3rd world that are happy to be here and work hard to contribute.
We just need to be a little more choosy about who we let in. Not to mention when you have record high unemployment throughout the country, it doesn't make sense to maintain the status quo when it comes to immigration.

So you're saying immigrants today don't work in construction, which in your opinion is the most important sector in the nation?
And that most immigrants today drive cabs and open convenience stores, which are not important in this nation?

Just to clarify things

[EyeBrock]

CommanderSock wrote:

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

How about Pierre Trudeau's idea of letting the flotsam and jetsam and dregs of 3rd world countries to move here. Oh wait, that's the whole DAMN PROBLEM!!!!

How about Simcoe's idea of letting the flotsam and jetsam and dregs of British and European peasants move here. Oh wait, that's the whole DAMN PROBLEM!!!!





There, I fixed that for you.

Mmm, you might have missed the bit in history of General Haldimand taking the Loyalist Americans from the newly independant US to Nova Scotia, PEI, New Brunswick and Upper Canada. Those American refugees built Canada.

[ridenrain]

I agree that the temporary worker system is a mess, along with a great many student visa's. We seem unable to believe that foreigners can do wrong and that's why I definatey don't want a political party that depends on foreigners.

[CommanderSock]

ridenrain wrote:

I agree that the temporary worker system is a mess, along with a great many student visa's. We seem unable to believe that foreigners can do wrong and that's why I definatey don't want a political party that depends on foreigners.

I consider student Visas to be very important in bringing here people who will commit themselves to the country.

Most graduates with masters or an undergrad end up getting jobs right out of university, why should they not be allowed to stay?

[Bruce_the_vii]

Pseudonym wrote:

I'm not clear on the topic of this discussion. Are we critiquing the conception of "citizens of the world" or immigration policy or culture or what?

I was thinking of the cultural aspect of immigration. Since the Mayflower arived N. America has been accepting of various cultures. But now we have "multiculturalism" and we are home to 180 differenct countries. It works fairly well but I would draw the line somewhere. I'm suggesting cultures where the women are subserviant or backward cultures (peasants) who won't adapt to modern life well.

Some of the posts have critiqued the immigration program. That's well and fine but I was fishing for peoples thoughts about the 180 different cultures.

[BeaverFever]

I think that anything that violates criminal law, the Charter, or where it is otherwise felt there is a victimization can be dealt with within the existing system. Certainly, there will be questions about boundaries of state intervention, as there always has been, but thats what the courts are for. This is ewually true for Mormons, cults, new-age wierdos, etc as it is for immigrants.

[ridenrain]

BeaverFever wrote:

"A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Those words rang as true in Canada too, untill Trudeau established the hyphenated Canadian. Someone who may live here but also retains all the culture and bitter, entrenched grevences of his past nationalty. A citizen of the world who is never asked to chose Canada over his tyranic religion or tyranical associations.

[fifeboy]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

How about Pierre Trudeau's idea of letting the flotsam and jetsam and dregs of 3rd world countries to move here. Oh wait, that's the whole DAMN PROBLEM!!!!

Well, that explains it!

[kenmore]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

How about Pierre Trudeau's idea of letting the flotsam and jetsam and dregs of 3rd world countries to move here. Oh wait, that's the whole DAMN PROBLEM!!!!

Ah hmmm.. think that was mulroney n'est pas?

[fifeboy]

EyeBrock wrote:

Mmm, you might have missed the bit in history of General Haldimand taking the Loyalist Americans from the newly independant US to Nova Scotia, PEI, New Brunswick and Upper Canada. Those American refugees built Canada.

Well, I think we can say they built some of it!

[EyeBrock]

fifeboy wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

Mmm, you might have missed the bit in history of General Haldimand taking the Loyalist Americans from the newly independant US to Nova Scotia, PEI, New Brunswick and Upper Canada. Those American refugees built Canada.

Well, I think we can say they built some of it!

Some is true, but they certainly kick-started the development of what we know as Canada.

I always wonder why Canadians are so reluctant to acknowledge the contribution of those early settlers.

[bootlegga]

CommanderSock wrote:

ridenrain wrote:

I agree that the temporary worker system is a mess, along with a great many student visa's. We seem unable to believe that foreigners can do wrong and that's why I definatey don't want a political party that depends on foreigners.

I consider student Visas to be very important in bringing here people who will commit themselves to the country.

Most graduates with masters or an undergrad end up getting jobs right out of university, why should they not be allowed to stay?

Because they take jobs away from Canadians...at least that's what the anti-immigration lobby tells us. Of course the reality is that most Canadians don't get those degrees themselves, and therefore eliminate themselves from those jobs long before an immigrant ever shows up to 'steal it' from them.

Even those that don't stay are beneficial, as they generally leave with positive views on Canada, which can translate into better relations between Canada and their own country down the road.

[ridenrain]

Here in Vancouver, we have a number of phoney little schools who exist only to provide the paperwork nessesary to get people into the country. The students vanish into the US, the sex trade or wherever. It's just a front for human trafficking.

The people you describe are valuable. The people that I describe are not.

[EyeBrock]

Boots,

I'm always reluctant, (having traveled to 60 or so countries) to see an MBA or PhD from a developing country in the same light as those from say Canada or the US.

I'm sure they teach to the best of their abilities but countries that can't or won't except radical ideas such as equality and democracy can hardly be expected to embrace other seemingly radical thoughts in science, management, human resources etc.

I'm not trying to be controversial here, just realistic. Can a country that oppresses free thought and has 3 hours of electricity a day, few roads and rampant corruption really knock out top-class MBA's?