[BCMc]

CommanderSock wrote:

From 1900 to 1940 the rate of immigration as a percentage of the population was far higher.

Oh and your point of this influx of peoples proves my point. It peaked and ended with the GREAT depression! Immigration declined after that because the same problem happened back then. Not enough for people already subsisting in cities to manage that many more newcomers.

It is all relative and cyclical. The best growth years and surgence in Canada (building on those who came centuries before occurred when immigration had severe caps). That was the early 40's to the 70's btw. Look at our history back then. Better schools, resources, amenities and hospital medical care was second to none in the world!

It has all deteriorated substantially since the 1980's.

[BeaverFever]

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The best growth years and surgence in Canada (building on those who came centuries before occurred when immigration had severe caps). That was the early 40's to the 70's btw. Look at our history back then. Better schools, resources, amenities and hospital medical care was second to none in the world!

It has all deteriorated substantially since the 1980's.

Keen observation, but look what has transpired economically in that timeframe: Reaganomics. This is the idea that government budgets should be continuously slashed and that "labour costs" aka wages and salaries should be held in check. The result has been 3 decades of stagnant wages, declining public services, and less upward mobility for workers trying to 'make it'. Immigrants in any nation start at the bottom of the ladder and try to climb their way up. The problem is that Reaganomics makes that ladder harder to climb for everyone and immgirants in particular are even more challenged than the rest of us in the best of circumstances due to unfamiliarity with their new country and a lack of support networks, personal connections, etc.

[CommanderSock]

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Can we guess now what nationality you are? This has been an interesting read through this whole thread.

Canadian.

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Student visa? The way in the back door to get people from ones homeland permanent status.

Fine by me. They contribute more financially to the system. They pay 3 times what Canadian students pay.

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Yup, sure. Does that mean my daughters or neices and nephews should move over and compete for a spot in University because politicians will want to have a quota of international students to appease other countries rather than their own?

You better hope they have good high school marks to get into university.

[CommanderSock]

BCMc wrote:

CommanderSock wrote:

From 1900 to 1940 the rate of immigration as a percentage of the population was far higher.

Oh and your point of this influx of peoples proves my point. It peaked and ended with the GREAT depression! Immigration declined after that because the same problem happened back then. Not enough for people already subsisting in cities to manage that many more newcomers.

It is all relative and cyclical. The best growth years and surgence in Canada (building on those who came centuries before occurred when immigration had severe caps). That was the early 40's to the 70's btw. Look at our history back then. Better schools, resources, amenities and hospital medical care was second to none in the world!

It has all deteriorated substantially since the 1980's.

You confuse liberalization of our economical policy with a static population.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Thanks for the buck 12/80 rant BCMc. This is what I posted the thread for, the cultural limits to immigration's popularity. There have been lots of threads here at CKA on immigration but I wanted to know if multi-cultural issues were becoming thread bare. Culture is a complex issue but I wanted to see if there were some simple answers.

I call myself a "job activist" and have been concerned with immigration for 19 years. I'm actually good at this and the Liberal Platfrom Committee Chairman writes me my ideas on jobs are currently being reviewed by the committee. I've posted my ideas here several times and won't do it again.

BMCc if you want to see a coherent discussion of immigration from the social and economic impact point of view I have my material on the Web at http://members.tripod.com/bruce_the_vii/immigration/ I have some popular support for my ideas and this includes the immigrant community. The Web site has some summary subpages that only take a minute or so to read but are startling data.

[BCMc]

CommanderSock wrote:

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Can we guess now what nationality you are? This has been an interesting read through this whole thread.

Canadian.

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Student visa? The way in the back door to get people from ones homeland permanent status.

Fine by me. They contribute more financially to the system. They pay 3 times what Canadian students pay.

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Yup, sure. Does that mean my daughters or neices and nephews should move over and compete for a spot in University because politicians will want to have a quota of international students to appease other countries rather than their own?

You better hope they have good high school marks to get into university.

No. 1. You seem to be on a track that I do not agree with about this University issue and international students.

I wonder which part of Canada you were born in that you want seas of students flocking into your schools and shoving out Canadian students. I wonder if you have children? and perhaps some international student will fill a spot that could have been for your child.

You have a nervy challenge to me about my daughters grades. My great grandparents and their parents and myself did not live and pay taxes and help build this country so we would have others take our own childrens opportunity for a timely education. I realize that international schooling can be a positive thing, but it should not be a BUSINESS making deal. It could be exchange or for short term only. But that won't even matter if the quota from government ends up saying that so many spots are for international students. Since when should anyone be denied an education in Canada.

3 times more money? 2 times out west. Is money more important to some people? or a balanced effort to see our Canadian children have good educations?

My girls are in University as am I and on our own merit and grades. I waited almost a lifetime for this opportunity. And I am in a sea of Asians (whom I like) but some don't even have a good command of English and you are going to somehow tell me that my girls had better have good grades? how did these kids get good grades in Literature or Biology classes or in English? I wonder what the criteria is for some of these students because I am seeing some struggling going on for quite a few of them.

Oh and btw - University fees in Canada have increased for us too, because others are vying for our spots and not just due to cost increases, but because there is a higher potential for money yield (re: foriegn student money). I was 4600th on the waiting list for residence at U.B.C.

Ah ,yes, who do you think filled those spots before me. I did find a place but it was extremely difficult.

We have just faced a horrible economic crisis due to the 4 pppp's (politicians piss poor planning) and now we will face more because people believe that if others roll in with more money, that is fine?

Money is not the answer to everything. It is a means to an end.
I would like to see balance. We are out of balance and there are always pendulum swings or reprecussions when that happens.

My buck 12/80

[BCMc]

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

Thanks for the buck 12/80 rant BCMc. This is what I posted the thread for, the cultural limits to immigration's popularity. There have been lots of threads here at CKA on immigration but I wanted to know if multi-cultural issues were becoming thread bare. Culture is a complex issue but I wanted to see if there were some simple answers.

I call myself a "job activist" and have been concerned with immigration for 19 years. I'm actually good at this and the Liberal Platfrom Committee Chairman writes me my ideas on jobs are currently being reviewed by the committee. I've posted my ideas here several times and won't do it again.

BMCc if you want to see a coherent discussion of immigration from the social and economic impact point of view I have my material on the Web at http://members.tripod.com/bruce_the_vii/immigration/ I have some popular support for my ideas and this includes the immigrant community. The Web site has some summary subpages that only take a minute or so to read but are startling data.

I am glad I answered according to the intent of the question. I hope I did not upset people, because that is not my intention. My intention is to say that I and others are upset because it has got quite out of control now. We were too nice and rolling over too much for all this stuff and the asking or telling our politicians to think things through were not taking effect.

The thing we can do is say enough is enough. It is time to stop and take a good assessment of where we are at with immigration and whether or not there are glaring problems. (which we all know there are in the end).

Thanks. I will try to read through your information.

[Lemmy]

BCMc wrote:

I was 4600th on the waiting list for residence at U.B.C.

But at age 53, did you REALLY want to live in the dorms with the Frosh?

[BCMc]

Lemmy wrote:

BCMc wrote:

I was 4600th on the waiting list for residence at U.B.C.

But at age 53, did you REALLY want to live in the dorms with the Frosh?

Good point, oh that would have been wild, eh? . There are places here geared for 3rd and 4th year and more mature students. But all full. I guess I should have applied for housing 2 years ago, not one year ago for housing. I got lucky and did find a great little place (not U.B.C. housing). But that was after a lot of searching and pestering the wait list people.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Thanks for the posts BCMs. I loved your 4 p's. Politicians piss poor planning. This is actually a fact of life.

As an activist I have rather a good collection of mail from the MPs. They are taking a look at immigration, especially the Liberals. At least the back bench is. There's a real problem in Ottawa with the disconnect of the leaders from their caucus. The leaders tend to be one man shows with some reliance on an immediate circle of advisers. The caucus is somehow not heard.

[BCMc]

BeaverFever wrote:

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The best growth years and surgence in Canada (building on those who came centuries before occurred when immigration had severe caps). That was the early 40's to the 70's btw. Look at our history back then. Better schools, resources, amenities and hospital medical care was second to none in the world!

It has all deteriorated substantially since the 1980's.

Keen observation, but look what has transpired economically in that timeframe: Reaganomics. This is the idea that government budgets should be continuously slashed and that "labour costs" aka wages and salaries should be held in check. The result has been 3 decades of stagnant wages, declining public services, and less upward mobility for workers trying to 'make it'. Immigrants in any nation start at the bottom of the ladder and try to climb their way up. The problem is that Reaganomics makes that ladder harder to climb for everyone and immgirants in particular are even more challenged than the rest of us in the best of circumstances due to unfamiliarity with their new country and a lack of support networks, personal connections, etc.

Yes, what people have to realize not one thing works in little vacuums apart from other issues. They are all interelated or affect the other issues. But that becomes an issue when trying to isolate some problems, prove them and then convince others to try to address those to solve them. Wages, resources, politics, banking, consumerism, it is all part of it.

False inflation of paper money was a huge culprit too. Mutual funds building was one of the biggest things - a form of stock building blocks, some prices get convoluted or squashed inside others and before one knows it the viability or real knowledge of those funds are lost or confusing. When I first saw the mutual funds on the scene in the 80's and then the subsequent craze for them peaking this last decade. Somethings gotta crash.

False money or inflated money, the air gets let out and goes first. But the reprecussions of that will be with us for quite a while.

But I don't like economics or politics that much, so I had better get onto other topics or it makes me get upset.

[BCMc]

Bruce_the_vii wrote:

Thanks for the posts BCMs. I loved your 4 p's. Politicians piss poor planning. This is actually a fact of life.

As an activist I have rather a good collection of mail from the MPs. They are taking a look at immigration, especially the Liberals. At least the back bench is. There's a real problem in Ottawa with the disconnect of the leaders from their caucus. The leaders tend to be one man shows with some reliance on an immediate circle of advisers. The caucus is somehow not heard.

OIC, thanks for the information. I don't want to seem like a person who does not respect those who have come to this land to make a new life. I just have problems with allowing too many too soon and too fast, without taking a breather or seeing the reprecussions and dust settle with each wave or few years. It has really been out of control for some time.

I believe I said quite enough on the matter. Thanks for listening.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Good posts BCMc. These are all modern understandings. Some of the issues you point to are common issues. Economists will draw conclusions from isolated statistics whereas popular economics, street economics, sees everything connected as you say. As a small "p" pol I talk to people about these things as a routine. Pleased to hear your opinions, that's what I post at CKA for.

[CanadianGigolo]

Bring back the Queen of Culture "Copps".....
Liberals need a screamer again!

She just itchen to come back......Harper will be there forever!!! Sam

[Bruce_the_vii]

lol, Sheila Copps.