[esqui420]

We here in Canada have, as you know an upcoming federal election. I would urge all canadians to watch as the new right (aka neo con) subvert and control the debate. The new right represented by Stephan Harper, but best served by Paul Martin, are making sure that Canada remains a friendly investment habitat for our imperialist overlords to the south. We as Canadians must decide in this election which route we would like to take as collective. Our we going to forge our way into future which has a human population. Or perhaps a future, were we can wave, as our elitist white overlords blast off to inhabit their ritz carleton in the sky, as we sit complacintly holding our pud on planet with know atmosphere. Seek out, leaders with vision, vote, please and lets send amessage to the international bankers that Canada is not going to be a soft wood lumber farm. nor are we going to be the launching pad for nuclear weapons, cause some chimp in blue suit, a common touch, and a cross tells us too. Vote if you do not exercise this right it will be taken from you.

[thirdEye]

Anti-Americanism is now the most popular new cult in Canada. Its followers follow it more blindly than a suicide bomber on their way to slaughter civilians in the name of allah. The doctrine of this new cult is as skewed and distorted as any cult that has ever existed. And like all cults, its foundation is built on fear, paranoia and lies.

Enjoy your life in fantasy land.

[Robair]

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Anti-Americanism is now the most popular new cult in Canada.

Yea, kinda like anti-Quebecisms are becoming popula... oh nevermind.

I hear "Anti-Americanisms" from the uneducated few, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it the latest popular trend or anything.

Anti-Bush/Cheneyisms on the other hand, THAT trend is worldwide, not just Canadian. Check the viewpoints on www.worldnews.com sometime. I personally can't stand the whole Bush regime. Got no problem with most Americans I've met.

[esqui420]

We as Canadians have an oppurtunity to elect a new government. like spain did in their last federal elction, we to have the chance to send a message, not to the american people, but to the imperialist who are shaping world affairs. Creating more divisions between the people of this country or the peoples of this world is completly the wrong course of action. What needs to happen is a consensus amongst the people of the country as to what role we as a nation would like to serve in the future. Do we want to be leaders in world peace, equality for all peoples, alternative energy. Or perhaps we will choose to form a government that relies on the same old bag of tricks, ie. increased spending on the miltary industrial complex. Perhaps we will democratically elect a government that sees the extraction of petroleum and the sales of hydro and other non-renewable forms of energy to be the future for the global community. Perhaps the liquidation of human life for the further expansion of our desire to maintain our accustomed car driving, cult of instant gratification through material gain. I see more threatnin cults then that of anti-amerkanism, the cult of consummerism and apathy. VOTE.

[Nugga_Nu]

Subvert and control the debate you say?

You mean in the same way the quaking in their boots Liberals keep hijacking the election issues by sending pro-choice rent-a-crowd activists to Conservative events?

You mean like the left-wing media constantly badgering Harper about abortion issues? Why aren't they badgering Roman Catholic Paul Martin about it?

You mean MP Judy Sgro showing up at Conservative events screaming, "Whose rights are you going to take away next?"? What the hell was that about? No one is trying to take away anybody's rights. I don't see Conservative party members showing up at Liberal campaign events and fearmongering over non issues. Seems like the typical Liberal sky is falling routine, they must indeed be getting scared of Steve Harper if they're going to that extreme.

And what about that nutter who showed up at Harpers campaign speech hollering like a lunatic and militantly disrupting the speech til the cops had to drag him away? I wonder who sent him there.

Sorry, as always, the Liberals are resorting to name calling and smearing by blatantly accusing Harper of being something he's not, and doing things he hasn't done, and creating issues where there are none.

We all know it - if you don't agree with a Liberal you are instantly labelled a bigot or a racist. Typical Grit tactic.

[Nugga_Nu]

thirdEye wrote:

Anti-Americanism is now the most popular new cult in Canada. Its followers follow it more blindly than a suicide bomber on their way to slaughter civilians in the name of allah. The doctrine of this new cult is as skewed and distorted as any cult that has ever existed. And like all cults, its foundation is built on fear, paranoia and lies.

Enjoy your life in fantasy land.

This is an excellent post, thirdEye, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Canadians are brainwashed sheep. That's the danger of having a nanny state that controls the media and education systems.

[ConcernedInWinnipeg]

Liberals keep hijacking the election issues by sending pro-choice rent-a-crowd activists to Conservative events???

Typical neo-conservative crap! Where is your proof that the Liberals hired them? Where do you come up withis crud? Prove that they are "rent-a-crowd"... Just where does one rent a crowd? Should I check the yellow pages? Please tell me oh wise one...

[esqui420]

I do not agree with either the fiberals nor the conservative tactics of attacking one another. But talk about non issues. Harper proposes getting tough on crime. all the stats indicate that all crimes in Can. is down and falling. The crimes that are on the rise are more white collared and corporate in nature. Harper has no intention on cracking down on his buddies does he. If you associate the neo-libs with the left wing you are completly out of touch with current canadian politics.

[thirdEye]

esqui420 wrote:

I do not agree with either the fiberals nor the conservative tactics of attacking one another. But talk about non issues. Harper proposes getting tough on crime. all the stats indicate that all crimes in Can. is down and falling. The crimes that are on the rise are more white collared and corporate in nature. Harper has no intention on cracking down on his buddies does he. If you associate the neo-libs with the left wing you are completly out of touch with current canadian politics.

But I'm sure you love the NDP tactic of attacking people, right? Did Paul Martin really murder all of those homeless people?

You can trot out all of the crime stats you want. Crime stats are based on reported crimes. Do you have any stats on how many crimes go unreported? In Canada it is estimated to be 40%. Why do you think that is?

Besides, if the NDP ever get in power and start implementing their plan to make all Canadians poorer, crime will increase rapidly.

Crime is crime - it doesn't matter how you categorize it. I think you will find that the majority of Canadians support tougher crime measures - not neccesarily to reduce the incidence of crime, but to ensure proper justice to those who do commit crime.

I'm not sure where you get the impression that Harper is some corporate lackey. He doesn't come from big money, big business, or law. He is an economist. Though, being an NDP'er, I'm sure you don't have any idea what that is since there obviously aren't any economists in the NDP.

[Rev_Blair]

Cut the crap Third Eye...you and Nugga are spewing lunatic right accusations with no basis in reality and screaming like spoiled brats when somebody dares to talk back.

Did homeless deaths increase after Martin's cuts? Yes they did. There are hard numbers that show that.

Does Harper understand that his version of the child sex and porn laws can and will keep people from discussing this very important issue? No...his platform is basically to keep people from talking about it.

On the gun issue he refused to answer when asked if he would be banning semi-automatic assault rifles. He has not said how he intends to keep illegal guns from entering Canada, just that he will. I don't agree with the gun registry, but that doesn't mean I think we should let this brainless pissant turn us into wild west north.

Harper's supporters beat two men with sticks, on television, for asking a question. If Harper would have answered the question in the first place those men wouldn't have gone to ask it again. Harper won't answer that question though, because his views are so radically right that it would cost him votes.

Harper never showed up at the recent CBC show where the leaders were invited to answer questions asked by young people all across Canada. Martin and Layton both showed because they aren't afraid to be asked, and to answer, questions.

The NDP have released their platform. It isn't about making people poorer...just the opposite, actually. Harper's plan, though not fully released, is about making average Canadians worse off to benefit a very few. I doubt if either Nugga or Third Eye is high enough up the economic scale to get that benefit, but apparently they are so giving that they don't mind getting screwed over so some rich guys can get even richer.

[thirdEye]

Rev_Blair wrote:

Cut the crap Third Eye...you and Nugga are spewing lunatic right accusations with no basis in reality and screaming like spoiled brats when somebody dares to talk back.

This coming from the crap-master himself who, along with esqui420, are spewing lunatic left accusations with no basis in reality and "screaming like spoiled brats when somebody dares to talk back". You are the biggest spoiled brat around this place, so you are not in the position to make such comments. Ass.

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Did homeless deaths increase after Martin's cuts? Yes they did. There are hard numbers that show that.

Speaking of wild accusations. Produce the numbers. And then prove the link - for every death.

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that doesn't mean I think we should let this brainless pissant turn us into wild west north.

Again, speaking of wild accusations....

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Harper never showed up at the recent CBC show where the leaders were invited to answer questions asked by young people all across Canada. Martin and Layton both showed because they aren't afraid to be asked, and to answer, questions.

Of course they aren't afraid to answer questions when they answer with lies, misinformation and fantasy. Canadians need to be told some hard truths, not some leftist utopian fantasy fable.

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The NDP have released their platform. It isn't about making people poorer...just the opposite, actually. Harper's plan, though not fully released, is about making average Canadians worse off to benefit a very few.

You can interpret the NDP platform however you like. Its goal may not be to make people poorer, but that will be the inevitable result. Go ahead and give it a whirl.

I'm not sure how you can say that tax cuts for the avarage Canadian will benefit the very few. Seems to me that it would benefit average Canadians. Is that too simple for you to understand?

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I doubt if either Nugga or Third Eye is high enough up the economic scale to get that benefit, but apparently they are so giving that they don't mind getting screwed over so some rich guys can get even richer.

I am doing quite well economically, thanks. But besides that, your ridiculous leftist witch-hunt against the rich is so naive and misplaced. Pathetic. You obviously would prefer to get screwed over so some rich politicians get richer, right? After all, Jack Layton is rich according to the Canada Revenue Agency, yet he likely pays less in taxes than people who make less than him. He wants to take all of our money to spend it on things he wants. Greedy bastard. You should know this, but high taxes don't hurt the rich, they hurt the average Canadian. NDP = high taxes. NDP is bad for the average Canadian. Period.

[Rev_Blair]

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Produce the numbers. And then prove the link - for every death.

Every death? That's pretty unreasonable, Tird Eye. Just what I'd expect from you. You know you're wrong so you try to make yourself right by imposing fantastical parameters. Here are some links though. I can get more, but maybe you should do some research for a change.

http://www.michaelshapcott.ca/action/st ... tory_5.asp
http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/curren ... story3.php
http://aspin.asu.edu/hpn/archives/Oct98/0068.html

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Of course they aren't afraid to answer questions when they answer with lies, misinformation and fantasy. Canadians need to be told some hard truths, not some leftist utopian fantasy fable.

Apparently you never watched the show. Martin hedged a bit, but Layton answered every question forth-rightly and honestly. He did so with enthusiasm. If harper wants to tell the truth so badly, why is he afraid of questions.

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You can interpret the NDP platform however you like. Its goal may not be to make people poorer, but that will be the inevitable result. Go ahead and give it a whirl.

It's not my interpretation that counts, it's the solid platform that makes promises, says why it is making those promises, and explains exactly how it will pay for them. No dodging questions, no multi-billion dollar discrepancies, no bones about the promises having to be rolled back if there isn't enough money. Try reading it.

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I'm not sure how you can say that tax cuts for the avarage Canadian will benefit the very few. Seems to me that it would benefit average Canadians. Is that too simple for you to understand?

The lion's share of the cuts will go to business, first of all...not to average Canadians. When you do the math our individual shares of the cuts amount to a couple cases of beer a year. Collectively those cuts will leave the government short of cash to pay for social programs. Those will be cut to the bone if we let Harper get in charge. Do the math.

You can't be doing all that well financially if you think that the price of a couple of cases of beer is worth trashing the country for, Third Eye. Harper's policies bear an eerie resemblance to those of George Bush...we can see how well those work by checking the US national debt.

Even things that seemingly have nothing to do with economics have a huge and detrimental economic effect. If Harper's law and order campaign goes into effect we will need more jails and we will be keeping more people in those jails for longer. Jails cost millions to build and their inhabitants cost about a hundred grand a year each to feed and house. Who is going to pay for that? Not Harper, he won't have the money. Same with policing and the military and healthcare and education.

Harper is the guy who promises to buy you a beer, but always forgets to bring his money to the bar.

[Zenfisher]

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You can trot out all of the crime stats you want. Crime stats are based on reported crimes. Do you have any stats on how many crimes go unreported? In Canada it is estimated to be 40%. Why do you think that is?

If 40% (estimated) of crimes go unreported in Canada...How can you come up with a percentage for the stat ? Does this include jaywalking,speeding, robbery,murder,etc. If 39% of the crime is for jaywalking and 1% is for littering who cares ? This is the kind of "stat" a politician will give you because it means absolutely nothing and is completelty unprovable.

[Rev_Blair]

It's not really a stat at all...it's a number that sounds good and is designed to scare people.

[thirdEye]

Rev_Blair wrote:

It's not really a stat at all...it's a number that sounds good and is designed to scare people.

Yeah, the Liberal government is good at doing that - making stuff up to scare people.

http://www.psepc-sppcc.gc.ca/publications/corrections/199901_e.asp

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A second measure attempts to address the problem of under-reporting noted with official crime statistics. These are surveys asking people whether they have been victims of different crimes. Questions on criminal victimization form part of the General Social Survey (GSS) held every five years. In addition, periodic, specialized surveys have been conducted. These surveys find that approximately 40% of crimes go unreported to the police.