[Zipperfish]

BRAH wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

Summer forecast for B.C.: Dry service stations, gas prices of $2 per litre

How will Horgan and the Environmental Hypocrites like them apples?

Always the first to sow discontent. You're not fooling anyone Russian troll.

[BRAH]

Zipperfish wrote:

BRAH wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

Summer forecast for B.C.: Dry service stations, gas prices of $2 per litre

How will Horgan and the Environmental Hypocrites like them apples?

Always the first to sow discontent. You're not fooling anyone Russian troll.

Always the first to play the race card, race baiting troll.

[bootlegga]

I'll just leave this here...

[BRAH]

bootlegga wrote:

I'll just leave this here...

The question is who's going to back down?

[Mowich]

BRAH wrote:

bootlegga wrote:

I'll just leave this here...

The question is who's going to back down?

Well it sure won't be Horgan whose political future is all but done having decided that clinging to power via his alliance with the Greenies was much more important than what is good for our province.

[herbie]

Hate to spoil some people's dreams of fun and chaos but here's the gist of today's "free the beer" Supreme Court Ruling

Quote:

Top court says a province can impose trade barriers, but not if the sole purpose is to punish

So now everyone can run in circles blaming the Courts instead of solving the problem.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4624756

[Freakinoldguy]

Given that Kinder Morgan is as the left likes to point out, a private company which, will be the primary financial winner from the twinning of the pipeline this ruling does nothing to rectify the issue of Alberta refusing to send oil to BC.

Kinder Morgan isn't a province and isn't bound by any Supreme Court trade rulings between such. They, as a private company can legally refuse to send any oil from any jurisdiction down their existing pipelines and could even shut it down completely down and move on to greener pastures if they wanted to.

If Alberta is actually forced to send oil to BC I can pretty much guarantee that the only way it'll be getting here is by:

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I wonder how many extra trains a day it would take to bring in the same amount of oil as the Kinder Morgan pipeline is supplying to the lower mainland?

So, if he BC gov't keeps their obdurate attitude towards the pipeline Kinder Morgan may not just give up on twinning the pipeline but may actually shut down their whole operation in BC meaning that we'd have a tough time meeting demand for Alberta oil even if they were forced to ship it to us.

[Thanos]

With the added hilarity of those extra trains having a carbon footprint worse than any pipeline in existence all thanks to those diesel electric engines. Oh well, it's only the hipsters on the coast that deserve not to be annoyed by industry, not those environment-hating rednecks and too-poor-and-uncool-for-Vancouver lowlifes in the interior that will see a massive increase in the number of trains rumbling by their towns, rivers, lakes, and cabins.

And the beer decision can't be used as a predictor of what will happen when Transmountain ends up in court. The beer decision involved mere inter-provincial regulatory stupidity between Quebec and New Brunswick, in that some dipshits in the NB government decided that a customer can't buy a stock of alcohol from Quebec in a protectionist move to protect liquor sellers in their own province, and to not have to lower their own tax take on alcohol to be competitive with prices across the border. The pipeline involves the federal government as final overseer of what happens and federal regulations are precedent over any and all provincial ones from either BC or Alberta. Entirely different scenario than the beer decision and it will be adjudicated accordingly.

[BRAH]

Mowich wrote:

BRAH wrote:

bootlegga wrote:

I'll just leave this here...

The question is who's going to back down?

Well it sure won't be Horgan whose political future is all but done having decided that clinging to power via his alliance with the Greenies was much more important than what is good for our province.

The biggest winner in this politically is Notley while Horgan is just a patsy for the Green party.

[BRAH]

Freakinoldguy wrote:

Given that Kinder Morgan is as the left likes to point out, a private company which, will be the primary financial winner from the twinning of the pipeline this ruling does nothing to rectify the issue of Alberta refusing to send oil to BC.

Kinder Morgan isn't a province and isn't bound by any Supreme Court trade rulings between such. They, as a private company can legally refuse to send any oil from any jurisdiction down their existing pipelines and could even shut it down completely down and move on to greener pastures if they wanted to.

If Alberta is actually forced to send oil to BC I can pretty much guarantee that the only way it'll be getting here is by:

Attachment:

o-OIL-BY-RAIL-CANADA-facebook.jpg

I wonder how many extra trains a day it would take to bring in the same amount of oil as the Kinder Morgan pipeline is supplying to the lower mainland?

So, if he BC gov't keeps their obdurate attitude towards the pipeline Kinder Morgan may not just give up on twinning the pipeline but may actually shut down their whole operation in BC meaning that we'd have a tough time meeting demand for Alberta oil even if they were forced to ship it to us.

________________

Shipping oil through the lower mainland by rail what's the worst that could happen?

[bootlegga]

Sometimes, the truth hurts...

Quote:

Thank-you B.C. for the oil discount

Congratulations and thanks to the citizens of B.C. who seem once again to have blocked an oil pipeline to the coast. Those of us living south of the border will continue to enjoy importing your oil at substantial discounts while exporting our oil from gulf ports at world-market prices. Your gift to us, around $100 million per day Canadian, is greatly appreciated. We marvel at your generosity while doubting your sanity. All of this will have zero impact on global climate, of course.

Adam Lloyd, Seattle

http://vancouversun.com/opinion/letters ... hy-expense

[herbie]

Why are you posting pictures of trains? You couldn't even get one to carry grain or lumber today if you wanted to, so they're irrelevant to the conversation. Throw in there aren't 5000 oil cars laying around unused, double tracks trough the canyon or a train unloading facility or room for one at the Westridge tanker terminal. So how about giving up wasting bandwidth with the same meaningless bullshit every time there's a bump in the road.

But nooooo.... gotta go back to the same old shit.

Quote:

Given that Kinder Morgan is as the left likes to point out, a private company which, will be the primary financial winner from the twinning of the pipeline this ruling does nothing to rectify the issue of Alberta refusing to send oil to BC.

You're commenting "the left" has to point out the right's own economic philosophy, and not seeing yet another PITA thrown into the mix when it's been specifically pointed out?
Be nice to see someone point a route to a solution instead of when seeing another brick in the wall propose getting more bricks. All I see is a situation where hubby wants a new car, the wife points out some financial adjustment would be needed and all hubby's buddies suggest calling her names, beating her more or threatening to buy an even worse car would solve the problem.

[DrCaleb]

herbie wrote:

Why are you posting pictures of trains? You couldn't even get one to carry grain or lumber today if you wanted to, so they're irrelevant to the conversation.

The reason farmers can't get a car to ship grain is because they locomotives are being used to transport Oil. And you can see, almost every month the shipments increase.

https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/cr ... l-eng.html


So that makes them extremely relevant. Pipelines are inherently safer that rail, and the oil will be shipped to market. Safely, or not.

[martin14]

herbie wrote:

All I see is a situation where hubby wants a new car, the wife points out some financial adjustment would be needed and all hubby's buddies suggest calling her names, beating her more or threatening to buy an even worse car would solve the problem.

Fitting that you picture yourself and BCers as the nagging old hag wife.

[Thanos]

Add in the national railway system to the long list of items that, just like the goddamn military, have been woefully neglected by our elected shitheads for far too long.