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ASLplease
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:41 am
How does one go about challenging such a policy?
IMO, children should be taught in a "no bad guy" envirement. ie if they want to play with toy firearms and pretend they are policemen or hunters then that is ok, but if they engage in 'I'm going to shoot you because I am a criminal' play then they should have the toy taken away.
yesterday, I endured a situation where a 23 year old daycare worker chastised a child for holding a curling iron like a gun. then she proceeded to preach to the child on how guns are bad, and designed to kill people. I think an important point that she missed is: guns are no so bad that we refuse to give them to police officers. I think she should have reenforced the idea that with a firearm comes great responsibility.
In my youth, we never had problems with firearms.Most of us had rifles that we used for hunting.
Most of us had pellet guns that we used for play, and we understood that if you shoot someone with your pellet gun, your dad or just about any dad in town was going to grab that pellet gun and wrap it around a telephone pole.
Anyway, my point is simple, by having a no toy guns policy, we are not only teaching our kids that all guns are bad, but we are failing to teach them healthy and responsible use of a gun.
So what can we do to stop this travesty from continuing?
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Posts: 17057
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:48 am
oh, don't say anything, you'll be branded as a gun toting violence loving American. Additionally, the police will be called to search your house, Family Services will be called in because you are an unfit parent due to your gun loving habits. So much for your rights as a parent. No No, a 23 year old with no kids of her own knows better than you. Sorry.
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:01 am
Love the sarcasm, M 
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:03 am
ASLplease wrote: How does one go about challenging such a policy?
IMO, children should be taught in a "no bad guy" envirement. ie if they want to play with toy firearms and pretend they are policemen or hunters then that is ok, but if they engage in 'I'm going to shoot you because I am a criminal' play then they should have the toy taken away.
yesterday, I endured a situation where a 23 year old daycare worker chastised a child for holding a curling iron like a gun. then she proceeded to preach to the child on how guns are bad, and designed to kill people. I think an important point that she missed is: guns are no so bad that we refuse to give them to police officers. I think she should have reenforced the idea that with a firearm comes great responsibility.
In my youth, we never had problems with firearms.Most of us had rifles that we used for hunting.
Most of us had pellet guns that we used for play, and we understood that if you shoot someone with your pellet gun, your dad or just about any dad in town was going to grab that pellet gun and wrap it around a telephone pole.
Anyway, my point is simple, by having a no toy guns policy, we are not only teaching our kids that all guns are bad, but we are failing to teach them healthy and responsible use of a gun.
So what can we do to stop this travesty from continuing? Well, I don't have a huge issue with no weapons play. Frankly, the difference between our experience in the past and today is the absolute infestation of gun violence in everyday society. Whether it's news, video games, whatever, play gunplay, undirected and unsupervised, is not a really good thing.
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Posts: 17057
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:07 am
Brenda wrote: Love the sarcasm, M   not quite sure I was being sarcastic though... 
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ASLplease
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Posts: 4239
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:09 am
When I was young, we had bb guns, bow and arrows and lawn darts. I think we are too lazy to teach our kids, instead we think that providing them with a warm place to play video games makes us a good parent.
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ASLplease
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Posts: 4239
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:11 am
martin14 wrote: oh, don't say anything, you'll be branded as a gun toting violence loving American. I'll have to be very careful. If I allow a leftist to make one reference to George Bush, I'll lose the debate.
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ASLplease
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Posts: 4239
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:13 am
Gunnair wrote: ASLplease wrote: How does one go about challenging such a policy?
IMO, children should be taught in a "no bad guy" envirement. ie if they want to play with toy firearms and pretend they are policemen or hunters then that is ok, but if they engage in 'I'm going to shoot you because I am a criminal' play then they should have the toy taken away.
yesterday, I endured a situation where a 23 year old daycare worker chastised a child for holding a curling iron like a gun. then she proceeded to preach to the child on how guns are bad, and designed to kill people. I think an important point that she missed is: guns are no so bad that we refuse to give them to police officers. I think she should have reenforced the idea that with a firearm comes great responsibility.
In my youth, we never had problems with firearms.Most of us had rifles that we used for hunting.
Most of us had pellet guns that we used for play, and we understood that if you shoot someone with your pellet gun, your dad or just about any dad in town was going to grab that pellet gun and wrap it around a telephone pole.
Anyway, my point is simple, by having a no toy guns policy, we are not only teaching our kids that all guns are bad, but we are failing to teach them healthy and responsible use of a gun.
So what can we do to stop this travesty from continuing? Well, I don't have a huge issue with no weapons play. Frankly, the difference between our experience in the past and today is the absolute infestation of gun violence in everyday society. Whether it's news, video games, whatever, play gunplay, undirected and unsupervised, is not a really good thing. I think weapons play ought to be taught to good kids, and not taught to bad kids.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:55 am
Maybe you should ask why the kid had a curling iron, maybe she wasn't concerned that the kid could sneak off and plug it in and get burnt from it or even electrocuted trying.
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Posts: 29123
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:21 am
I encourage schools to make use of the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program: http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/This teaches kids to be safe around firearms as opposed to making firearms a mystical or unnecessarily scary topic for children. As to the issue of weenies at schools telling little boys not to be little boys, I could kick their collective a**es into the middle of next week. These pantywaists are trying to create a generation of eunuchs (or Brits) out of the young men in our countries and, frankly, this nannying is nothing more than a war on manliness.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:24 am
I was in the dollar store picking up some stocking stuffers my nephew....I couldn't resist the toy machine gun My sister's gonna freak 
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Posts: 29123
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:29 am
gigs wrote: I was in the dollar store picking up some stocking stuffers my nephew....I couldn't resist the toy machine gun My sister's gonna freak  A 14 year old boy from my church is getting one of my Moisin-Nagant's for Christmas. His father bought it from me (at a steep discount  ) and the kid will have a safe and easy to use rifle for next fall's hunting season.
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ASLplease
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Posts: 4239
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:27 am
Alta_redneck wrote: Maybe you should ask why the kid had a curling iron, maybe she wasn't concerned that the kid could sneak off and plug it in and get burnt from it or even electrocuted trying. "deranged child pistol whips fellow student with hot curling iron while teacher chastises another student about the evils of toy guns."
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ASLplease
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Posts: 4239
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:29 am
gigs wrote: I was in the dollar store picking up some stocking stuffers my nephew....I couldn't resist the toy machine gun My sister's gonna freak  good idea, I think I'll do the same
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Posts: 14811
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:59 am
The Militia was my daycare growing up as a latch key kid, course I shot the neighbours kid in the ass with a bb gun. I was in every kid club (beavers, scouts et al) till I joined the military on my 17th birthday (I actually signed up a month prior). I suppose if I had daycare growing up I would have been more violent but money was tight after the divorce so as a very young kids my daycare was helping mom with work. I might have a new addition next month so I might have to look into this thing they call daycare for the 1st time, keep me posted!
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