[DerbyX]

ASLplease wrote:

has speed limits ever led to genocide? how about car registration? swimming pools?

if you want to include all guns, then lets include all industrial vehicles, bicycles, roller blades, white water rafts, power sports......oh yes, lets not forget the drunk drivers!

Gun registration never led to genocide but gun ownership certainly did. They didn't pull it off without firearms did they?

Stop making strawman arguments.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX wrote:

ASLplease wrote:

what are you saying? that cops are worried about a jaywalker in a suitsuit that might be hiding a long rifle up his ass? Nope, not even cops are that paranoid.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/Facts/Facts.htm

Talk to the police who value it.

I am currently talking to you. Are you worried about the possibility of me running around with a rifle stuck up my ass?

[DerbyX]

Proculation wrote:

EXACTLY ! So you are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT ! You like that justice ???

Registering a firearm is not like being accused of a crime. Its about knowing who has guns and where they are.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX wrote:

ASLplease wrote:

has speed limits ever led to genocide? how about car registration? swimming pools?

if you want to include all guns, then lets include all industrial vehicles, bicycles, roller blades, white water rafts, power sports......oh yes, lets not forget the drunk drivers!

Gun registration never led to genocide but gun ownership certainly did. They didn't pull it off without firearms did they?

Stop making strawman arguments.

how is this a strawman arguement? governments dont take firearms away from themselves, they take it away from their citizens.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

ASLplease wrote:

what are you saying? that cops are worried about a jaywalker in a suitsuit that might be hiding a long rifle up his ass? Nope, not even cops are that paranoid.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/Facts/Facts.htm

Talk to the police who value it.

I am currently talking to you. Are you worried about the possibility of me running around with a rifle stuck up my ass?

4 RCMP officers died from a rifle, deaths that may have been prevented.

You are the people saying a registry has no value but it obviously does have value to the police who frequently use it.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX wrote:

Proculation wrote:

EXACTLY ! So you are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT ! You like that justice ???

Registering a firearm is not like being accused of a crime. Its about knowing who has guns and where they are.

I will agree that knowing who the law abiding long gun owners are, and where they are is not has nothing to do with crime.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

ASLplease wrote:

has speed limits ever led to genocide? how about car registration? swimming pools?

if you want to include all guns, then lets include all industrial vehicles, bicycles, roller blades, white water rafts, power sports......oh yes, lets not forget the drunk drivers!

Gun registration never led to genocide but gun ownership certainly did. They didn't pull it off without firearms did they?

Stop making strawman arguments.

how is this a strawman arguement? governments dont take firearms away from themselves, they take it away from their citizens.

Genocide was committed how? Did the government use guns? I though so. This is the same ridiculous argument that armed militias use to complain the governemnt is trying to take away their assault rifles and grenade launchers.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Proculation wrote:

EXACTLY ! So you are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT ! You like that justice ???

Registering a firearm is not like being accused of a crime. Its about knowing who has guns and where they are.

I will agree that knowing who the law abiding long gun owners are, and where they are is not has nothing to do with crime.

Yes it does if it turns out they committed a crime doesn't it? Plenty of law abiding gun owners suddenly become law breaking gun owners.

[ASLplease]

The one example where the registry might have actually helped the police, and 4 officers ended up dead. your point is?

[Proculation]

DerbyX wrote:

Proculation wrote:

EXACTLY ! So you are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT ! You like that justice ???

Registering a firearm is not like being accused of a crime. Its about knowing who has guns and where they are.

And that's NOT what i'm talking about.
I don't think you understand what police can do with the registry. Like get into your home without warrant and arrest you or take your gun. You have to PROVE you didn't do anything wrong to be released or get your weapons back.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease wrote:

The one example where the registry might have actually helped the police, and 4 officers ended up dead. your point is?

There are plenty more. That is the point. That's what the stats showing the police are using that information to get warrants and prosecute criminals.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX wrote:

Yes it does if it turns out they committed a crime doesn't it? Plenty of law abiding gun owners suddenly become law breaking gun owners.

Why is it paranoid for me to want to protect myself against these said people, yet it is NOT paranoid for someone else to want to take away all firearms from all law abiding citizens?

[DerbyX]

Proculation wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Proculation wrote:

EXACTLY ! So you are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT ! You like that justice ???

Registering a firearm is not like being accused of a crime. Its about knowing who has guns and where they are.

And that's NOT what i'm talking about.
I don't think you understand what police can do with the registry. Like get into your home without warrant and arrest you or take your gun. You have to PROVE you didn't do anything wrong to be released or get your weapons back.

The police can get a warrant and kick in your door on suspected drug crimes or perhaps a terror thing. The police can falsely accuse you of crimes. They might do any of these things and we have a system in place to help protect us.

THAT'S not the point. If the police are abusing their powers then we fight that abuse as we would any abuse of police powers.

Registry or not they must have cause for search and arrest and if they execute a search and seize warrant then THEY must prove they have a case not the other way around.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Yes it does if it turns out they committed a crime doesn't it? Plenty of law abiding gun owners suddenly become law breaking gun owners.

Why is it paranoid for me to want to protect myself against these said people, yet it is NOT paranoid for someone else to want to take away all firearms from all law abiding citizens?

Nobody is saying you don't have the right to protect yourself but at the same time citizens have a right to a government that is taking steps to control who can have guns and to know where those guns are.

[Proculation]

That's my point: no they don't have to with that law. Let's say someone tell the police you made threat to him because he doesn't like you. The police investigates and see you have a .12 gauge registered. They can come to your house and take your weapon away. You have to prove you didn't do anything to get them back.

And that's only an example.