[Akhenaten]

DerbyX wrote:

Gun registration never led to genocide but gun ownership certainly did.
Stop making strawman arguments.

What? No. Gun ownership on it's own has never directly led to genocide, ever, anywhere. The mere presence of a weapon does not lead to genocides. Many genocides or genocide attempts were done with knives/swords/spears so unless your contention is that weapons of any kind lead to genocide THIS is the strawman argument.

Dangerous social politics lead to genocide not guns. Most of the Rwandan genocide was carried out with machetes not hunting rifles.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX wrote:

Genocide was committed how? Did the government use guns? I though so. This is the same ridiculous argument that armed militias use to complain the governemnt is trying to take away their assault rifles and grenade launchers.

I can't say that agree or disagree with you on this because I still don't see your point. gun confiscation is applied to citizens, not the governments that turn inti genocidal bastards.

[ASLplease]

holy carp! do you guys know how hard it was to post my last message? I think it took 5 attempts at clicking on submit because someone else was posting faster than me.

And ofcourse the nested posts got so high that i had to take the time to delete some of the quotes.

[ASLplease]

gotta run. take care!

[ASLplease]

Akhenaten wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Gun registration never led to genocide but gun ownership certainly did.
Stop making strawman arguments.

What? No. Gun ownership on it's own has never directly led to genocide, ever, anywhere. The mere presence of a weapon does not lead to genocides. Many genocides or genocide attempts were done with knives/swords/spears so unless your contention is that weapons of any kind lead to genocide THIS is the strawman argument.

Dangerous social politics lead to genocide not guns. Most of the Rwandan genocide was carried out with machetes not hunting rifles.

I dare the canadian government to come after me with a machete

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Gun registration never led to genocide but gun ownership certainly did.
Stop making strawman arguments.

What? No. Gun ownership on it's own has never directly led to genocide, ever, anywhere. The mere presence of a weapon does not lead to genocides. Many genocides or genocide attempts were done with knives/swords/spears so unless your contention is that weapons of any kind lead to genocide THIS is the strawman argument.

Dangerous social politics lead to genocide not guns. Most of the Rwandan genocide was carried out with machetes not hunting rifles.

That's not the point I am making. I'm making the point that bad people often get away with it because they use weapons to counter the argument that governments take people guns away so they can commit genocide. If taking away guns allows government to commit genocide against a (now) defenceless population then pointing out that they wouldn't have been able to do it without guns anyway. Any genocide taking place using spears and machetes aren't taking place in civilizations where a government has any ability to legislate away gun ownership.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Genocide was committed how? Did the government use guns? I though so. This is the same ridiculous argument that armed militias use to complain the governemnt is trying to take away their assault rifles and grenade launchers.

I can't say that agree or disagree with you on this because I still don't see your point. gun confiscation is applied to citizens, not the governments that turn inti genocidal bastards.

See above. Enjoy your day.

[DerbyX]

Proculation wrote:

That's my point: no they don't have to with that law. Let's say someone tell the police you made threat to him because he doesn't like you. The police investigates and see you have a .12 gauge registered. They can come to your house and take your weapon away. You have to prove you didn't do anything to get them back.

And that's only an example.

Then that's the law we change! Hiding guns doesn't eliminate police powers that are abhorrent does it? Suppose they are investigating a noise complaint? The fact is that the police can use the registry to see if their are any registered weapons in a house before responding to any type of complaint.

The police still need a reason to seize any weapons just like they can't seize your computer (assuming you have child porn on it) without just cause.

If police are acting out of order then we challenge that law and that power.

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX wrote:

That's not the point I am making.

Ok fair enough. I thought that's what you were saying.

[Proculation]

DerbyX wrote:

Proculation wrote:

That's my point: no they don't have to with that law. Let's say someone tell the police you made threat to him because he doesn't like you. The police investigates and see you have a .12 gauge registered. They can come to your house and take your weapon away. You have to prove you didn't do anything to get them back.

And that's only an example.

Then that's the law we change! Hiding guns doesn't eliminate police powers that are abhorrent does it? Suppose they are investigating a noise complaint? The fact is that the police can use the registry to see if their are any registered weapons in a house before responding to any type of complaint.

The police still need a reason to seize any weapons just like they can't seize your computer (assuming you have child porn on it) without just cause.

If police are acting out of order then we challenge that law and that power.

But it's an ethic problem: where does it stop ?
If we put GPS bracelet to everyone, we can see where people are at anytime. It would prevent crime.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX wrote:

ASLplease wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Genocide was committed how? Did the government use guns? I though so. This is the same ridiculous argument that armed militias use to complain the governemnt is trying to take away their assault rifles and grenade launchers.

I can't say that agree or disagree with you on this because I still don't see your point. gun confiscation is applied to citizens, not the governments that turn inti genocidal bastards.

See above. Enjoy your day.

ok, now i disagree with you

I really got to run now. have a good day

[DerbyX]

Proculation wrote:

But it's an ethic problem: where does it stop ?
If we put GPS bracelet to everyone, we can see where people are at anytime. It would prevent crime.

On that we agree. I dislike government impacting on my freedoms especially in things like moral choices. At the same time it is not unreasonable for gun owners to expect to register their firearm. If the government tries to ban guns completely then we fight that too.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX wrote:

Proculation wrote:

But it's an ethic problem: where does it stop ?
If we put GPS bracelet to everyone, we can see where people are at anytime. It would prevent crime.

On that we agree. I dislike government impacting on my freedoms especially in things like moral choices. At the same time it is not unreasonable for gun owners to expect to register their firearm. If the government tries to ban guns completely then we fight that too.

C-68 allows a gun registry employee( it doesn't have to go before parliment, the senate, or even the RCMO) to ban the guns 1 model at a time. too bad the gun registry advocates didn't share the same sentiments as you when they wrote the Bill.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Nice rant ttruscott, but here's a few question I don't think you thought of. Can you hide your car under your clothes? Can you drive your car into a school building or a mall without anyone noticing?

And for expired licences, do you still drive your car after your licence has expired but you haven't bothered to renew it yet? You do realize that the licence aspect is to OPERATE a vehicle, not own one.

Over powered cars ARE banned. There is a specific horsepower limit for street cars.
Over powered cars are after market products, and the cops WILL impound it if yer caught. Although to be fair, I never understood why cars that can do 240-280kph out of the factory are allowed to be sold when the highest speed limit I've seen in Canada in 120kph/.

Now since you feel the way you do, how about if your insurances lapses for ANY length of time, you get to start from the bottom and pay the highest insurance rate, just like a car. Anytime ANYTHING happens involving your guns that causes damage or injury, whether through your own fault or the fault of someone else, your insurance rates skyrocket, just like a car.

Every year, you have to buy a little tag for your gun, just like a car.

If yer drinking whilst hunting and get caught, yer guns are impounded and you get a nice fat fine and possible jail time, JUST LIKE A CAR.

Are ya SURE you want it to be the same??

[ASLplease]

I've had a car and a boat in my possession that I haven't registered in the past 5 years that I've owned them. Better call the cops and have me sent to jail.