[mapleleafer1985]

You lost all respect for a fire hydrant?
That is interesting

[OnTheIce]

mapleleafer1985 wrote:

Gunnair wrote:

Well, if you don't vote, you can't complain about policy. Even voting for some fringe party at least gets your opinion heard.

How is the NDP a fringe party? they've governed many provinces and are now the official opposition

the NDP is a mainstream party

We're talking Ontario, try to keep up.

The NDP should thank the PC's and Liberals for allowing them speaking privledges in the House and funding despite losing party status numerous times.

The NDP is hanging on like a turd from a dogs ass. That dog being Ontario

[Gunnair]

mapleleafer1985 wrote:

Gunnair wrote:

Well, if you don't vote, you can't complain about policy. Even voting for some fringe party at least gets your opinion heard.

How is the NDP a fringe party? they've governed many provinces and are now the official opposition

the NDP is a mainstream party

It's not. You simply can't read.

OTI was not discussing voting for the NDP, he was discussing not voting period. I stated that even voting for a fringe party is at least putting you vote to work.

Work on the facts before going half cocked.

[commanderkai]

mapleleafer1985 wrote:

he implied it, and yes he also called the ndp a fringe party in another thread

I think that was me calling the NDP batshit stupid.

[Gunnair]

commanderkai wrote:

mapleleafer1985 wrote:

he implied it, and yes he also called the ndp a fringe party in another thread

I think that was me calling the NDP batshit stupid.

No, it was me. He was having a comprehension failure though.

[ShepherdsDog]

This really is some good comedy relief.

[eureka]

By no stretch of the imagination can the Ontario NDP be called a fringe Party.

First, "fringe" in a political sense. means extreme. If the NDP is "extreme," then the federal CPC is extreme.

Seat count is irrelevant. Would the Conservatives under Kim Campbell be considered a fringe Party? I doubt it but it could be argued that the majority CPC is a "fringe" Party.

Then, the NDP in the last election (Ontario) garnered one in 6 of the votes cast. Is that irrelevance?

[Lemmy]

eureka wrote:

By no stretch of the imagination can the Ontario NDP be called a fringe Party.

First, "fringe" in a political sense. means extreme. If the NDP is "extreme," then the federal CPC is extreme.

Seat count is irrelevant. Would the Conservatives under Kim Campbell be considered a fringe Party? I doubt it but it could be argued that the majority CPC is a "fringe" Party.

Then, the NDP in the last election (Ontario) garnered one in 6 of the votes cast. Is that irrelevance?

Your point is well made, but there's different degrees of relevence, in a political sense. Absolutely, the NDP are a mainstream party today. We are a tripartite system in Ontario (and largely nationally). As you say, they attract a significant volume of votes. But the NDP is still fringe in looser definitions of the word. They are clearly the 3rd party, even federally (despite the 2011 election results).

In Ontario, you cannot underestimate the Bob Rae effect. Was Bob Rae's government the evil people make it out to be? Of course not. But deserved or not, Bob Rae is a pariah to most Ontario voters. When Liberals and Conservatives agree on something, that's 5 votes out of 6 and it's a powerful unspoken alliance against the NDP. This means that, for at least the foreseeable future, the NDP has ZERO chance to form a provincial government in Ontario. In that sense, they are irrelevent in Ontario politics.

[Gunnair]

eureka wrote:

By no stretch of the imagination can the Ontario NDP be called a fringe Party.

First, "fringe" in a political sense. means extreme. If the NDP is "extreme," then the federal CPC is extreme.

Seat count is irrelevant. Would the Conservatives under Kim Campbell be considered a fringe Party? I doubt it but it could be argued that the majority CPC is a "fringe" Party.

Then, the NDP in the last election (Ontario) garnered one in 6 of the votes cast. Is that irrelevance?

Who called it a fringe party?

[Bruce_the_vii]

The Ontario election campaign officially started Tues., Sept 6th. Great timing, eh. The US is on verge of a recession and the EU is similarly stuck. We're entering an provincial election on the very edge of economic uncertainty. Some bad news could change the whole election.

[2Cdo]

Here's hoping the Ontario electorate punts Daltons ass into the unemployment line! That useless tit turned this province into an overtaxed, have-not, province.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Yeah, he did turn it into a have not province, or at least a benefit collector.

[Bruce_the_vii]

In his speech Thursday, Mr. Obama is likely to offer at least a $300-billion (U.S.) package of ideas that would affect people in their daily lives — tax relief, unemployment insurance, spending to support construction jobs, aid to states to keep people in their jobs. Businesses would get their own tax breaks. And he will promise a long-term plan to pay for it all.


The hope is for long term growth. As difficult as more spending is they may as well go for it. They pay down period will be longer. A three year slow down would be the alternative.