[DerbyX]

Not that you'd ever admit the truth.

conservative spin on coalition.

You'd have been all over the coalition had Harper gotten a yes from Layton and deposed the Libs.

[mtbr]

DerbyX wrote:

Not that you'd ever admit the truth.

conservative spin on coalition.

You'd have been all over the coalition had Harper gotten a yes from Layton and deposed the Libs.

"We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority. Your attention to this matter is appreciated."

big difference from "pick us we will all work together for an agreed set of time and form a new government"

so where did Hijack tell Harper to go to Hell?

[DerbyX]

Suuuure it is.

[DerbyX]

Harpers letter spelled out what he wanted to do when they brought down the govt. He was asking the GG to consider a coalition before they were able to bring down the govt.

This coalition was planning on bringing down the govt and asking the GG to consider them as an alternative to calling an election.

No matter how you spin it Harper was asking the GG in political terms to consider his coalition proposal by having her "consider all her options". What do you think he meant? Was he asking her to dissolve the govt without a confidence vote? Was he asking her to just unilaterally declare Harper as PM?

[Zipperfish]

mtbr wrote:

I'm sure you would be singing her praises if she would have denied Harpers request.

And you'd be wrong. As per usual.

[fifeboy]

Eisensapper wrote:

When did 65% of the country vote for the Coalition Party?

The only thing you, ridenrain , Richard van Lunatic or myself vote for is an MP.

[roger-roger]

Eisensapper wrote:

When did 65% of the country vote for their Coalition Party MP?

There it's fixed, that made a big difference didnt it

[DerbyX]

Eisensapper wrote:

Eisensapper wrote:

When did 65% of the country vote for their Coalition Party MP?

There it's fixed, that made a big difference didnt it

We don't. We only vote for an MP to represent us. Confidence is the key. A ruler can only rule when he has the confidence of the house. Harper doesn't. The coalition would.

Technically there is nothing to stop say, 100 CPC MPs from simply crossing the floor to another party allowing them to form the govt even though the "CPC" won the election. If that happened the new party would have to ask the GG to form the govt as well.

That is how our parlimentary system works. Most people vote for their MP because they want that party to have majority control. People don't say "well I don't support Harper making a deal with the Liberals so thats not constitutional". Its like crossing the floor. They get elected as members of one party but then are perfectly allowed to ignore the wishes of the majority in their constituency and simply join another party without so much as a C-ya.

The legality of it is already established. Its perfectly legal as is crossing the floor, something Harper had no problem accepting when it was in his favour.

[Scape]

Eisensapper wrote:

I think she should have denied the recess then called an election.

I think if they don't get their act together that is exactly what should happen. This was a mulligan and IMHO warranted if only because it was so soon after the last election. Hopefully, all sides will smarten up. Any coalition with the Bloc is toxic by their very nature and thus illegitimate but not by the rules illegal. However, Harpers ratings have gone up even though he has not owned up to his share in this mess and that does not bode well. He may try to wreak any setup just to get another election call. At least Dion for his part has paid the price.

[ridenrain]

fifeboy wrote:

Eisensapper wrote:

When did 65% of the country vote for the Coalition Party?

The only thing you, ridenrain , Richard van Lunatic or myself vote for is an MP.

Spin it as you like but ZERO voted for a coalition. Both Dion and Layton both denounced a coalition about the time they were signing the papers though. Canadians firmly rejected Dion for PM yet this coalition set about to force him on the majority of Canadians who voted against him.

It was another huge arogant Liberal screw up with the usual huge public back lash.
Iggy's signature and support for this coalition will beremembered and all brought up again in the next election, and Canadians can decide who they want.

[Zipperfish]

ridenrain wrote:

Spin it as you like but ZERO voted for a coalition.

And zero could have voted for the coaltion. We vote for MPs who may or may not represent a party. Why don't you read a primer on Canadian parliamentary democarcy instead of constantly making yourself look like an idiot?

[Scape]

And deprive CKA of the village idiot?

[Zipperfish]

Scape wrote:

And deprive CKA of the village idiot?

The guy spends all his time arguing federal politics and he doesn't even have a frickin' clue how the system works. It's mind-boggling.

As for village idiot? I don't know--ridenrain is an Einsteain compared to mtbr.

[bootlegga]

Zipperfish wrote:

Scape wrote:

And deprive CKA of the village idiot?

The guy spends all his time arguing federal politics and he doesn't even have a frickin' clue how the system works. It's mind-boggling.

As for village idiot? I don't know--ridenrain is an Einsteain compared to mtbr.

SNAP!

Two for the price of one!

[fifeboy]

Eisensapper wrote:

Eisensapper wrote:

When did 65% of the country vote for their Coalition Party MP?

There it's fixed, that made a big difference didnt it

Your complaint about the coalition attempting to form a government may be correct, claiming (I think--correct me if I am wrong) it is undemocratic and that an MP is elected as a member of a party and should remain such until the next election. Someone elected to the Rhino party should stay a Rhino until the next election, but it is not the way our government works. All parties have welcomed floor crossing in the past. The only person whom I know of who crossed the floor in a truly democratic manner was Buckley Belanger, Liberal MLA for Athabasca. He went to the NDP Primer of the time (Roy Romano), asked to join up with him, resigned his seat and ran in the by election as an NDP candidate and won. (I remember him because he was a pupil of mine--not at the time though!)


Also by standards, no party could change how it governs -away from its election platform. This would never happen. Steven Harper ran on a "never ever" deficit platform. Now he plans one. Does that make his government illegitimate? Of course not. Circumstances changed and almost everyone agrees he has no choice. The electorate will decide what it thinks of his government, based on more than deficit financing I am sure, when the next election comes. And a coalition government would also have to face the electorate! Its not illegal, perhaps ill advised, but not illegal.

Ounce again, we vote to elect an M.P. in the Riding we reside in. What that member does is up to him. If he stays on after the next election is up to you, me and ridenrain! Ride however, probably won't have time to vote, as it would take away from his whining about the Liberals time!