[Gunnair]

andyt wrote:

Gunnair wrote:

andyt wrote:

As for blaming the Ont. govt - come on, Gunnair. Is Campbell responsible because that cop kicked that guy in the head? All the other case of excessive force? The responsibility the province has is to make sure that incidents are investigated. I can certainly blame Campbell for not setting up a proper investigation system.

Two unrelated events in Kelowna whereas the G20 cops worked under Lib government legislation.

A fine strawman, however.

OK, I missed your point - you're talking about the special legislation. I agree, that needs to be on McGuintie's doorstep. The police actions do not. And in fact is seem to recall that the police ran with what McGuinty gave them, ie interpreted it further than intended, especially that exclusion zone.

I don't know if this is what you meant, but I don't think you can hold either the govt or the police blameless and just lay it on one of their doorsteps.

They are both at fault. I'm calling for a balance between the two instead of focusing all the ire on the cops.

[andyt]

Works for me.

[EyeBrock]

Ok, show me one arrest in the supposed 'exclusion zone' andy.

[andyt]

EyeBrock wrote:

Ok, show me one arrest in the supposed 'exclusion zone' andy.

Argue with Gunnair instead, will ya? He's also saying both the govt and police deserve blame.

[Bodah]

Roman are you just bitching ? Or are you demanding some sort of reparations ? Like you want all the cops fired, money . Considering what's done is done yeah a few bad apples out of the bunch but no one died.

Just makes me wonder.

[EyeBrock]

andyt wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

Ok, show me one arrest in the supposed 'exclusion zone' andy.

Argue with Gunnair instead, will ya? He's also saying both the govt and police deserve blame.

That aside matey, you need to back up those aspersions about the 'zone'.
Nobody was arrested in the CBC-Toronto Star ‘zone’ because we were all very confused. The cops know the law and we all thought that some new law had been enacted but there was zero info on it. Consequently nobody felt comfortable in locking up people for supposed infractions of a phantom law. That's why you won't find any arrests on this 'law'.

It's a bit of a trend these days to just lock people up for breaking laws that exist, call me crazy but that's the way it is! Sorry if that doesn’t correlate with your view of G20 cops being one step removed from the Waffen SS.

[andyt]

Quote:

G20 officer: 'This ain't Canada right now'

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/g20-officer-aint-canada-now-20110121-183930-933.html

Quote:

One officer tells Figueiras that police need to search his backpack, but he refuses.
"You haven't opened up your bag, so take off," the officer says to the man.
When the man refers to being in Canada, the officer replies: "This ain't Canada right now."

Quote:

In a report last month, Ontario Ombudsman Andre Marin used the video as one example of how police brass spread confusion among officers on the street. He said a misinterpretation of special provincial legislation led to police wrongly believing they had expanded powers.
University of Toronto law professor David Schneiderman said this false belief among police that they could search anyone they please led to widespread violations of civil liberties. "There were various indications that the police officers here from various police forces, Toronto, York Regional police are identified, were exhibiting behaviour that was directly contrary to the constitutional rights of the people involved," said Schneiderman.

[EyeBrock]

Oh wow...a cop dare say.. "This 'aint Canada right now".

andy, is that the best you have? A back pack search and a cop with a big mouth.

Hardly Gestapo stuff is it?

On searches. People were asked if their bags could be searched, if they said no they didn't get past the check point on the wire. You should maybe take the airports to task too.

[OnTheIce]

romanP wrote:

OnTheIce wrote:

Funny how this all worked out.

If a Conservative was in power, it would be their fault that this happened. If Mike Harris pushed through secret legislation, all the focus would be on him and how dare he give the police these powers.

Instead, the leftist swing aims at the police cause they can't touch Daddy Dalton.

How is this a left or right thing? Dalton McGuinty put the legislation in motion for this to happen, and the federal government provided the funding. The provincial Liberals and federal Conservatives acted together to kill democratic expression.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

This was Canada's turn to host such an event, regardless of which federal party is in power.

McGuinty had a choice and it was very clear. However, the blame rolls off his back, largely due to the red media in Toronto who've focused the majority of their attack on the police.

[Mr_Canada]

Screw the G20, the people in the meeting, the countries they represent and the corporations they've pleased. And screw them for hiring others, workers, to protect them.

I don't hate cops, since the concept is 'good'. They're workers too. Just doing a job.

They are simply in the way.

[Tricks]

EyeBrock wrote:

I don't insist it was 5 cops. I said that the media keep bringing up the same 5 incidents. Now we have six with the idiot from York going for the bait and saying it wasn't Canada etc. Do try and quote me accurately andy.

The media are pissed off because of few of them got locked up for refusing to leave a crime scene, obstruct police etc. They thought that they had more rights than any other citizen.

Nearly 8 months after this the Star and Globe are plugging away still yet the biggest incident we have is a single beating. 18,000 cops, tens days and a beating? The rest of the incidents pale into insignificance. If there was anything to the hundreds of spurious allegations, they sure are taking their time to bring them forward and prove them. Blowing bubbles at bolshie cops aside.

It was really good to see the idiots who spat at me and called me the usual array of bacon related product names, post crap on the Star and Globe web sites about Sgt Ryan Russell, calling him pig etc even before he was buried.

My view is this; 80% of the public support the cops. I've met them at the G20 and the other day at Ryan's funeral. But there is a 20% of the population that will always hate the cops, despite what they do, I've met them too.

Some of you guys will always hate us. Once the police accept that we can all move on.

For what it's worth Brock, on the whole, you guys did a bang up job. As I was leaving work during the summer I saw a couple cops walking down the side walk, told them this too.