[Thanos]

EyeBrock wrote:

News flash....
Employers, credit agencies, police etc look at Facebook first.

Which is why I don't go on Facebook. Not even for big tit searches.

What's the bigger and much more realistic threat here anyway to a persons privacy? That the government's secret Ohkrana is going to go all Kafka on our asses? Or that some sociopath from 4-chan is going to steal our credit card numbers and max the accounts out? I think that our fears are prioritized in an incorrect order of severity and likelihood.

[DrCaleb]

EyeBrock wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

Thanos wrote:

I really don't disagree with any of this. I'm just kind of puzzled as to why people are so upset at the government poking around when the information they have on us pales in comparison to what the banks and credit card companies already do. Why exactly is one worse than the other? If anything, if the government wants more information on us all they should do is confiscate the information they need from Mastercard or Visa. It'd save them piles of money and tons of time investigating on their own and they'd end up with more accurate information as well. Track the money trail at PayPal or Craigslist and they'd probably uncover more pedophiles than they ever would with the traditional methods they keep using.

Because right now, I control my information. I decide whether to give up info and privacy by using credit or loyalty cards, or post on Facebook.

Right now it is also illegal for the government to amalgamate the info it does have on me (remember the "Super Database??"). This means that I can be a suspect in a criminal investigation for no other reason that the whim of a police officer. If the Justice system is to be involved, I at least want a Judge to be making these decisions.

Just look at what Target is able to do, using loyalty cards. I do not want the government having this ability. It does not need this ability.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill ... ion-score/

News flash....
Employers, credit agencies, police etc look at Facebook first.

I'm only on Facebook using the name of my childhood invisible friend. So, good luck to them.

[Dragon-Dancer]

OnTheIce wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

No, it's not. Nor is it recorded for future reference, mostly because ISPs couldn't give a crap what we do, nor do they have the money to store and back it up if they did store it.

Wanna bet?

Ask those people who get letters from their ISP for downloading movies via Torrent sites. I've gotten a couple of them over the years.

ISP's care because they are being pressured by various groups to crack down on illegal activity. They've also been caught throttling certain power users to prevent them from downloading certain file types.

Um, whole other ball of wax. You get letters because ISPs do track your bandwidth usage. They do not track what specifically you are downloading, they can just extrapolate because of your bandwidth usage that you're downloading huge files. It's the same with throttling, they don't need to know how you use it to put a cap on how much bandwidth you get to use.

OnTheIce wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

Yes, I care. But the banking officer is under strict rules not to discuss my finances with anyone. Politicians? Not so much.

Oh yea, so you trust some kid, fresh out of University to check on your finances? If you don't think these people go home at the end of the day and have a laugh at our expense based on funny charges, you're kidding yourself.

If they're ever caught doing so they are libel to lose their jobs on the spot. Most people in Finance are really strict with this kind of thing because they don't want to end up on the end of a lawsuit. With the sort of law on the books the Cons were looking at, police and CSIS could look at this info any time they wanted and nobody would ever know much less care what they actually did with it. It's the lack of oversight that really bothers most people, myself included.

[Dragon-Dancer]

EyeBrock wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

Thanos wrote:

I really don't disagree with any of this. I'm just kind of puzzled as to why people are so upset at the government poking around when the information they have on us pales in comparison to what the banks and credit card companies already do. Why exactly is one worse than the other? If anything, if the government wants more information on us all they should do is confiscate the information they need from Mastercard or Visa. It'd save them piles of money and tons of time investigating on their own and they'd end up with more accurate information as well. Track the money trail at PayPal or Craigslist and they'd probably uncover more pedophiles than they ever would with the traditional methods they keep using.

Because right now, I control my information. I decide whether to give up info and privacy by using credit or loyalty cards, or post on Facebook.

Right now it is also illegal for the government to amalgamate the info it does have on me (remember the "Super Database??"). This means that I can be a suspect in a criminal investigation for no other reason that the whim of a police officer. If the Justice system is to be involved, I at least want a Judge to be making these decisions.

Just look at what Target is able to do, using loyalty cards. I do not want the government having this ability. It does not need this ability.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill ... ion-score/

News flash....
Employers, credit agencies, police etc look at Facebook first.

They do, because most Facebook users post too damn much they nobody but their closest personal friends should ever see and don't even bother to set their privacy settings for the most basic of friends only restrictions. Sure it's still not the most secure thing to post it at all but at least it's not quite so easily found. What people choose to share publicly about themselves is free game for anyone who wants to look.

[Dragon-Dancer]

Thanos wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

News flash....
Employers, credit agencies, police etc look at Facebook first.

Which is why I don't go on Facebook. Not even for big tit searches.

What's the bigger and much more realistic threat here anyway to a persons privacy? That the government's secret Ohkrana is going to go all Kafka on our asses? Or that some sociopath from 4-chan is going to steal our credit card numbers and max the accounts out? I think that our fears are prioritized in an incorrect order of severity and likelihood.

Depends on your lifestyle choices. If you constantly troll 4-chan postings then expect to be targeted. If you don't then perhaps keeping your government and police agencies out of your business when there is no warrant for them to need to know stuff about you seems like a pretty darn good idea. Now if we could prevent corporations from misusing our data as well we'd all be better for it.

I don't have a problem with a company mining my purchase history with them to target marketing and products I might actually be interested in to me because I've already chosen to do business with them and that info is a already record with them. I do take offense to companies selling or giving my contact information to another company I have not entered into such an agreement with.

[ShepherdsDog]

EyeBrock wrote:

Big tit searches are awesome.

Damn. I did a 'Big Tit' search and got this


that 's' really does make a difference

[OnTheIce]

Dragon-Dancer wrote:

Um, whole other ball of wax. You get letters because ISPs do track your bandwidth usage. They do not track what specifically you are downloading, they can just extrapolate because of your bandwidth usage that you're downloading huge files. It's the same with throttling, they don't need to know how you use it to put a cap on how much bandwidth you get to use.

I've gotten letters describing specifically the movie I downloaded, who complained about the download as well.

I don't ever get letters when I use all my bandwidth. Never.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce wrote:

Dragon-Dancer wrote:

Um, whole other ball of wax. You get letters because ISPs do track your bandwidth usage. They do not track what specifically you are downloading, they can just extrapolate because of your bandwidth usage that you're downloading huge files. It's the same with throttling, they don't need to know how you use it to put a cap on how much bandwidth you get to use.

I've gotten letters describing specifically the movie I downloaded, who complained about the download as well.

I don't ever get letters when I use all my bandwidth. Never.

That's the Hollywood Movie police, or their lawyers. They download the torrent too, then record and trace any IP address that downloads the file. They then trace who the IP address you are using is are assigned to, then send the letter to your ISP as they are assigned the IP address. Your ISP then is obligated to pass the info along to you that you have been observed violating a copyright by distributing mateials you don't own. They don't however, have an obligation to pass your info on the the Movie Police.

Yet. But if we all are assumed to be kiddie diddlers, you can bet they will.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce wrote:

I've gotten letters describing specifically the movie I downloaded, who complained about the download as well.

I don't ever get letters when I use all my bandwidth. Never.

Sorry, but I'm highly skeptical of that. Downloading is still totally legal in Canada - it's uploading that is infringment.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga wrote:

OnTheIce wrote:

I've gotten letters describing specifically the movie I downloaded, who complained about the download as well.

I don't ever get letters when I use all my bandwidth. Never.

Sorry, but I'm highly skeptical of that. Downloading is still totally legal in Canada - it's uploading that is infringment.

Search "Rogers Warning Letters" on Google, them come back and let me know how skeptical you are.

A sample:

Quote:

Dear Mr ****** *******

Rogers Cable (Rogers) has received a notice stating that activities associated with your IP address are infringing copyright in material(s) owned or exclusively licensed by others.

The full notice is appended to this e-mail below.

Under section 4(d) of the Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet End User Agreement (EUA) and Acceptable Use Policy (AUP), you are prohibited from using the Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet service to engage in illegal activities, including activities that infringe copyright. Copies of our EUA and AUP are available at:

http://na.edit.client.yahoo.com/roge...terms&.intl=ca

Where there has been a violation of our EUA and/or AUP, including the unauthorized distribution of copyright-protected material, Rogers has the right to take appropriate action against you.

If you have any questions about the attached copyright notice, please contact the sender of the notice using the contact information provided in the notice. Please do not reply to this e-mail.

We trust you will comply with our policies and all applicable laws in using the Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet service.

Rogers EUA Management Team
Sincerely,

EUA Management Team
Rogers Yahoo Hi-Speed Internet

http://na.edit.client.yahoo.com/roge...ic?.form=terms
00485105



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Hash: SHA1

Entertainment Software Association
575 7th Street, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20004 USA

Attention: Intellectual Property Enforcement
Telephone: 202-223-2400
E-mail: esa@copyright-compliance.com

16 Mar 2007 08:04:50 GMT


ISP: Rogers Cable
ESA Reference Number: 182-5679829


Dear Rogers Cable:

The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) is a trade association that represents the intellectual property interests of numerous companies that publish interactive games for video game consoles, personal computers, handheld devices and the Internet in the United States of America, in Canada, and in other countries (collectively referred to as ESA members). ESA is authorized to act on behalf of ESA members whose copyright and other intellectual property rights it believes to be infringed as described herein.

ESA is providing this letter of notification to make Rogers Cable aware of material on its network or system that infringes the exclusive copyright rights of and is unlawful towards one or more ESA members.

ESA members are entitled to the full protection of Canadian intellectual property laws, including the Copyright Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. C-42, as amended, in such entertainment software products.

Based on the information at its disposal, ESA has a good faith belief that the IP address below infringes the rights of one or more ESA members by offering for sale or download unauthorized copies of game products protected by copyright, or offering for sale or download material that is the subject of infringing activities. The copyrighted works that have been infringed include but are not limited to:

Title: Starcraft
Infringement Source: BitTorrent
Infringement Timestamp: 15 Mar 2007 21:32:04 GMT
Infringement Last Documented: 15 Mar 2007 21:32:04 GMT
Infringer Username:
Infringing Filename: Starcraft + Expansion
Infringing Filesize: 1306348046
Infringer IP Address: *************
Infringing URL: http://tracker.xdvdz.com:2710/announce


The unauthorized copies of such game product(s) or the material that is the subject of infringing activities appears on or is made available through the above-listed IP address. Those items are listed and/or identified thereon by their titles or variations thereof, game-related listings/references/descriptions, or depictions of game-related artwork. Such copies, titles, game-related listings/references/descriptions, depictions, and material that is the subject of infringing activities, are hereinafter referred to as "Infringing Material."

Accordingly, ESA hereby requests Rogers Cable to immediately do the following:

1. Notify the account holder of the Infringing Material.
2. Remove, or disable access to, the Infringing Material detailed above.
3. Take appropriate action against the account holder under your Abuse Policy/Terms
of Service Agreement, including termination of a repeat offender.

Please inform us whether you will remove or disable access to the Infringing Material as requested. Rogers Cable or the account holder may contact ESA at the above-listed contact details, with email preferred. Please include the above-noted Reference Number in the subject line of all email correspondence.

Thank you for your cooperation and prompt response in this matter.

Sincerely,

Intellectual Property Enforcement
Entertainment Software Association

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[Scape]

[Curtman]

OnTheIce wrote:

bootlegga wrote:

OnTheIce wrote:

I've gotten letters describing specifically the movie I downloaded, who complained about the download as well.

I don't ever get letters when I use all my bandwidth. Never.

Sorry, but I'm highly skeptical of that. Downloading is still totally legal in Canada - it's uploading that is infringment.

Search "Rogers Warning Letters" on Google, them come back and let me know how skeptical you are.

Since when was Rogers a law enforcement agency? It violates their terms of service agreement, but there is no law against downloading copyrighted material. The trick is to do it without uploading it back to others. That is where the pirates break the law. If you use bittorrent to download, you are uploading copyrighted material without a license, and that is illegal.

EDIT:

Your sample letter wrote:

The unauthorized copies of such game product(s) or the material that is the subject of infringing activities appears on or is made available through the above-listed IP address.

The sample letter you posted specifically talks about uploading, not downloading.