[Lemmy]

Biblesmasher wrote:

Lemmy wrote:

You don't think Muslim women in Canada are oppressed and subjugated within their communities? Seriously? You think immigrant Muslims men leave that section of Islam back in Pakistan and Iran?

No I think they allow themselves to be oppressed in sort of the same way any Canadian woman who stays with a verbally abusive and or controlling man is allowing herself to be oppressed.

Okay then.

[Bodah]

Biblesmasher wrote:

Bodah wrote:

If you had to pick one that seemed oppressed & subjugated, which one would it be ?

one looks like a ninja, the other looks like a time traveler. Neither suffers from actual oppression or subjugation in Canada(any more than any other Canadian woman).

Except one is a symbol of an extremist following exported from a foreign land, that kills people for being homosexuals, kills women for talking to a man that's not her husband, not too crazy about jews, wouldn't mind sharia law here, Etc etc...

But I get ya, since its in worn in Canada we should just forget about that since the white drunken loser in his women beater t-shirt who lives down the street is just as bad. /sarcasm off

They cover there women like we cover our sports cars for the same reasons.

[Brenda]

Biblesmasher wrote:

Brenda wrote:

I thought it was law to get id-ed when voting?

Oh...I was just responding to what I quoted. I agree with the ID part (voting or cops). so if thats your only beef then my bad. Although I say if theres a woman officer on hand she can just do the ID real quick...if not, bee keeper lady cant vote .

Ha, and all the men should be out of the area, so there needs to be a separate room, and they will scream discrimination because they are taken away from evberyone else...

But no, I have more issues with the burqa.

[Biblesmasher]

Brenda wrote:

Biblesmasher wrote:

Brenda wrote:

I thought it was law to get id-ed when voting?

Oh...I was just responding to what I quoted. I agree with the ID part (voting or cops). so if thats your only beef then my bad. Although I say if theres a woman officer on hand she can just do the ID real quick...if not, bee keeper lady cant vote .

Ha, and all the men should be out of the area, so there needs to be a separate room, and they will scream discrimination because they are taken away from evberyone else...

But no, I have more issues with the burqa.

Oh cmon they wouldn't scream any such thing.

And I have issues with women having to cover their nipples while men dont have too. In fact why should clothing be legally mandated at all?

[Lemmy]

Biblesmasher wrote:

And I have issues with women having to cover their nipples while men dont have too. In fact why should clothing be legally mandated at all?

You're either very young or you've spent the past two decades on Uranus.

You should research R. vs. Jacobs (Gwen Jacobs)

[Biblesmasher]

Bodah wrote:

Biblesmasher wrote:

Bodah wrote:

If you had to pick one that seemed oppressed & subjugated, which one would it be ?

one looks like a ninja, the other looks like a time traveler. Neither suffers from actual oppression or subjugation in Canada(any more than any other Canadian woman).

Except one is a symbol of an extremist following exported from a foreign land, that kills people for being homosexuals, kills women for talking to a man that's not her husband, not too crazy about jews, wouldn't mind sharia law here, Etc etc...

But I get ya, since its in worn in Canada we should just forget about that since the white drunken loser in his women beater t-shirt who lives down the street is just as bad. /sarcasm off

They cover there women like we cover our sports cars for the same reasons.

Well you can give all the background of the burqua you like cheeky sir that doesnt put the slightest dent in the fact that in Canada they are free to NOT wear that get up if they wish. And you dont "get" anything since I didnt make that drunken wife beater argument. This is a freedom issue. I dont like that certain freaks like to take dumps on each others faces but i'm not about to make that illegal either. You cant have a society that mandates clothing and still calls itself free with a straight face.

btw so if it was the "symbol of an extremist following" that was home grown it would be just fine?

[Biblesmasher]

Lemmy wrote:

Biblesmasher wrote:

And I have issues with women having to cover their nipples while men dont have too. In fact why should clothing be legally mandated at all?

You're either very young or you've spent the past two decades on Uranus.

You should research R. vs. Jacobs (Gwen Jacobs)

Neither. that applies to ontario and doesnt address lower body coverings for either sex.

[Lemmy]

Biblesmasher wrote:

Neither. that applies to ontario and doesnt address lower body coverings for either sex.

Uhhh, the Criminal Code of Canada applies in all provinces. You never said anything about "lower body coverings", you specifically spoke of bare chests.

[Bodah]

Biblesmasher wrote:

Well you can give all the background of the burqua you like cheeky sir that doesnt put the slightest dent in the fact that in Canada they are free to NOT wear that get up if they wish. And you dont "get" anything since I didnt make that drunken wife beater argument.

Biblesmasher wrote:

No I think they allow themselves to be oppressed in sort of the same way any Canadian woman who stays with a verbally abusive and or controlling man is allowing herself to be oppressed.

You were saying ?

[Bodah]

Quote:

Many Muslim women reject the shackles of a burqa

Thank you, Leonard Stern, for your column elucidating that the burqa is the chosen identity of the fundamentalists. The wearing of the burqa, hijab or niqab in the West is no longer the symbol of piety (taqwa) and of being chaste (sutra), but a less innocent visible symbol of anti-West. As such, it sounds very misleading when Muslim organizations and their activists insist on burqa as a free choice, or a right to religious belief.

Declining demographics forced economically advanced countries to seek immigrants and increasingly large numbers came from Muslim majority countries. Large scale Muslim migration and refugees to the West and its resulting global impact were captured by Islamist political activists and their organizations.

They exploit the economic and social vulnerabilities of Muslim immigrants in the West to gain power over their lives. They manipulate them socially, by forcing them to redefine themselves in an exclusive global religious identity and reject their traditional and national identities. Those who disagree are treated as apostates (la dini).

Through the Muslim population, they exercise political leverage and mine their votes to influence the western political parties, to adopt their political objectives. The non-secular Muslims in the West have become the golden goose for the fundamentalists.

The connected youth are now becoming aware of the unjust and cruel culture of the Islamic fundamentalists. The Muslim youth peer into their destiny, under fundamentalist leadership, and they see nothing but political uncertainty, corruption, poverty, illiteracy, disparity and war. They are now courageously rejecting such a future and are fighting against it with their voice, youth and blood. They too want good education, security and parity with the youth worldwide. These are their universal human rights. We witness their struggle, in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey and Lebanon.

Muslim women have always been at the forefront of social and political change. To access modernity, they have rejected the shackles of Sharia laws and burnt their burqas in the past and they will do it again.

When the winds of political Islam have blown over, the youth, especially the young Muslim women in the West, will also have a choice to demand of their religious leaders, who coerced them to wear the veil, made them subservient to men, and denied them the freedoms enjoyed by others. They will demand answers from politicians who acquiesced to those establishments to gain the so-called "Muslim vote." They will demand of the school administrators and teachers who saw their struggles and anguish everyday and yet accepted it under the pretence of religious freedom.

France has set up a commission to examine the burqa. In Canada, we already know the outcome of injustices done to youth under religious pretexts. Canada should not acquiesce to the demands of the fundamentalist Muslim organizations to accept the practice of wearing the burqa but abolish it to ensure justice to young Muslim women.

Yasmeen S. Loubani, Ottawa

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/le ... story.html

[Brenda]

Quote:

I dont like that certain freaks like to take dumps on each others faces but i'm not about to make that illegal either

you mean I can take a crap in public on anyones face I wish?

[GreenTiger]

Wearing a bukq is like weaing leg irons and schackles. Why would any body in their right minds outside of Iran and Afgranistan want to wear a symbol of oppression.

[Bodah]

I also have a feeling people that the majority of people that voted the burka doesn't bother them when they see a women is full of shit to be honest, it does really bother them. There just trying to be PC about it, but are lying to themselves. Doesn't make you a heathen to say it does, fyi. It just means westerners do infact have cultural norms. Nothing wrong with that.

Except for people like Brenda who has spent a good portion of her life seeing it in Europe from day to day and has become use to it.

[KorbenDeck]

romanP wrote:

I will wait patiently for you to present evidence that such a thing is happening.

Go to London England walk around (alone) and talk to the locals. Then get back to Canada and start reading the papers and news sites. Then after you have done that for a year come back and we will talk again.

[martin14]

Bodah wrote:

I also have a feeling people that the majority of people that voted the burka doesn't bother them when they see a women is full of shit to be honest, it does really bother them. There just trying to be PC about it, but are lying to themselves. Doesn't make you a heathen to say it does, fyi. It just means westerners do infact have cultural norms. Nothing wrong with that.

Except for people like Brenda who has spent a good portion of her life seeing it in Europe from day to day and has become use to it.

ummm, you dont actually 'get used' to it.. just daily proof things are going the wrong way.