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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:34 pm
 


The Liberals tried to keep Quebec in Canada by giving them more government contracts and more recognition so they can feel that they are part of a great country.

The Liberals just lost track of what was the right way to do it.

The Conservative party did not like they way the Liberals were handling this affair and they requested an investigation and hearings followed and they labeled the Liberal party as dishonest and went to form the new minority government.

In the meantime the Liberal party had a leadership race and elected a great new leader, they also cleaned house and they put together a dream team to tell all Canadians that they are ready to take charge and form the new government in Canada.

The Conservatives had their chance to make positive change and they bungled it and they are trying to get a majority.

The Conservative government mistake is that they acted like a majority government but with only 33% of the vote. They also showed what it would be like to live under a majority Conservative government and a lot of Canadians do not like it.

And their biggest mistake is that they never bothered to form a provincial Conservative party in Quebec.

The people of Quebec will be voting for a former leader of the Progressive Conservative party who is the leader of the current Quebec Liberal party. Which means that most of the people in Quebec will vote Liberal in the next federal election.

When the Liberals form the new government of Canada Harper can relax and help plan the Conservative leadership race.


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The Liberals tried to keep Quebec in Canada by giving them more government contracts and more recognition so they can feel that they are part of a great country.

The Liberals just lost track of what was the right way to do it.

The Conservative party did not like they way the Liberals were handling this affair and they requested an investigation and hearings followed and they labeled the Liberal party as dishonest and went to form the new minority government.

In the meantime the Liberal party had a leadership race and elected a great new leader, they also cleaned house and they put together a dream team to tell all Canadians that they are ready to take charge and form the new government in Canada.

The Conservatives had their chance to make positive change and they bungled it and they are trying to get a majority.

The Conservative government mistake is that they acted like a majority government but with only 33% of the vote. They also showed what it would be like to live under a majority Conservative government and a lot of Canadians do not like it.

And their biggest mistake is that they never bothered to form a provincial Conservative party in Quebec.

The people of Quebec will be voting for a former leader of the Progressive Conservative party who is the leader of the current Quebec Liberal party. Which means that most of the people in Quebec will vote Liberal in the next federal election.

When the Liberals form the new government of Canada Harper can relax and help plan the Conservative leadership race.


Oh shite where do these people hatch ?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:38 pm
 


"My God you're right!" I say as though your opinion matters.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:41 pm
 


Well the Conservatives offer me more than the Liberals. But then again plan on joining the military.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:53 pm
 


Ideally, this is true.

They offer very little government.

Very little gun control.

Very little amounts of taxation.

and etc.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:58 pm
 


The provincial Libs are barely linked to the federal Libs anymore. A vote for the Libs on one level doesn't necessarilly mean a vote for them on the other. Quebec might just elect Charest yet give the federal Libs less MPs than they're used to get, in fact that's likely considering Stéphane Dion's extreme impopularity in the province.

I think the next federal election will look like the last one in Quebec : The Bloc will take most of the province, the Libs will get disappointing numbers but still go with about half of Montreal and its outlying regions and the Cons will take most of Quebec City and its outlying regions.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:43 pm
 


Welcome to CKA and forgive me tibor for what I must do.

tibor54 tibor54:
[size=12]The Liberals tried to keep Quebec in Canada by giving them more government contracts and more recognition so they can feel that they are part of a great country.


8O This is not something to boost of or be proud about. This is actually something most Liberals are embarrassed about try to avoid and most Conservatives use to attack.

Hey Liberals….is this guy your best or what?

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The Conservative party did not like they way the Liberals were handling this affair and they requested an investigation and hearings followed and they labeled the Liberal party as dishonest and went to form the new minority government.


So let me get this clear? The underhanded and sneaky Cons stole an election from the Libs through the despicable and deplorable practice of exposing corruption in government?

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In the meantime the Liberal party had a leadership race and elected a great new leader,


Who was that? Oh wait...you don't mean Dion do you?

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they also cleaned house and they put together a dream team to tell all Canadians that they are ready to take charge and form the new government in Canada.


OK, your flip flopping like Dion now. So now it was a good thing then that their corruption was exposed thereby allowing the party to reconstitute. And who exactly from the party was expelled to make the house clean? And who constitutes the "dream team"? Far as I can tell it's pretty much the same old crooks who made up the previous Dread Team.

tibor54 tibor54:
The Conservatives had their chance to make positive change and they bungled it and they are trying to get a majority.


Certainly seems to be your perspective on the Liberals: the bigger the cock-up the greater the majority.

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The Conservative government mistake is that they acted like a majority government but with only 33% of the vote.


Translation: They dared to defy the official opposition MSM party.

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They also showed what it would be like to live under a majority Conservative government and a lot of Canadians do not like it.


Apparently they do as the polls suggest they are on their way to a majority government. But I guess in your world you can sit in your garage and call yourself a car and believe that it is so.

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And their biggest mistake is that they never bothered to form a provincial Conservative party in Quebec.


Reform never formed one in Alberta but had their largest support base there. Your political savvy is somewhat wanting. (I hope you're actually a Liberal strategist for the next election; popcorn and beer, blow me and soldiers on the streets…of Canadian cities ha ha…good times.)

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The people of Quebec will be voting for a former leader of the Progressive Conservative party who is the leader of the current Quebec Liberal party. Which means that most of the people in Quebec will vote Liberal in the next federal election.


Oh, so that's how voting works. Now would someone tell those crazy Saskatchewanites who keep voting NDP provincially that voting Conservative or reform federally was never supposed to happen and to start voting like good little automatons.

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When the Liberals form the new government of Canada Harper can relax and help plan the Conservative leadership race.


Of course he'll be able to relax as that prospect is at least a generation away. Welcome to the 21-century and the new NGP!


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tibor54 tibor54:
The Liberals tried to keep Quebec in Canada by giving them more government contracts and more recognition so they can feel that they are part of a great country.

Throwing money at them and covering the province in Canadian flags with the sponsor ship program sounds like appeasement to me. That was Jean Chretiens answers as to what to do in the post 95 referendum in Quebec to make quebecers to want to be Canadian was to plaster the province in Canadian flags ? That'll do it alright lol ...

tibor54 tibor54:
The Liberals just lost track of what was the right way to do it.


No disagreement there.

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The Conservative party did not like they way the Liberals were handling this affair and they requested an investigation and hearings followed and they labeled the Liberal party as dishonest and went to form the new minority government.


Correction, Paul Martin called the investigation. The opposition would of done it eventually. Martin was just saving face by doing it first.

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In the meantime the Liberal party had a leadership race and elected a great new leader, they also cleaned house and they put together a dream team to tell all Canadians that they are ready to take charge and form the new government in Canada.


Great new leader as in Paul Martin, minister of finance of the time ? Who had no knowledge of the scandals and the millions that went missing ? I know he was just the minister of Finance at the time and shouldn't be held responsible, only in Canada.

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The Conservatives had their chance to make positive change and they bungled it and they are trying to get a majority.


They should of gotten a majority the last time around, but dont fret. The population are starting to realize the Cons are the boogeymen your trying to make them out to be. The people will speak next time around. Look what they've accomplished in the past 2 years . Compare that to what the liberals have done while in power 13 years. Oh yes the libs brought the defecit down, /clap.... not that hard to do when your sitting on a mountain of money from over taxing Canadians.

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The Conservative government mistake is that they acted like a majority government but with only 33% of the vote. They also showed what it would be like to live under a majority Conservative government and a lot of Canadians do not like it.


Seems like you have a problem with politicians making productive changes and cleaning up government "Canadians do not like it" I like it, alot.

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And their biggest mistake is that they never bothered to form a provincial Conservative party in Quebec.


You kind of have a point here the only mistake its up to Quebecers to form a provincial Conservative party and not the Federal Conservatives. I kind of feel dirty voting for the Quebec Liberals in Quebecs next provincial election but I'll do it. I'd vote for the ADQ if they weren't separatists. There the closest thing to Quebec conservatives.

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The people of Quebec will be voting for a former leader of the Progressive Conservative party who is the leader of the current Quebec Liberal party. Which means that most of the people in Quebec will vote Liberal in the next federal election.


No they wont, see my post above :wink:


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tibor54 tibor54:
The Liberals tried to keep Quebec in Canada by giving them more government contracts and more recognition so they can feel that they are part of a great country.


And just look at their results! In the 1995 sovereignty referendum, the soveriegntists lost by .6 percent!

In the meantime, what has essentially happened is the provincial Liberal party, under Jean Charest, a conservative has the Parti Quebecois -- although, not necessarily Quebecois sovereigntism -- on the ropes.

Frankly, giving Quebec bribes was never the way to keep them in the country. The best way to keep them in the country was to work within the constitutional framework -- integrating Quebec into the country at a deeper legal and philosophical sense, while fighting against sovereigntists by properly establishing the conditions under which Quebec sovereignty could be established.

The Liberals were never able to do this. You may or may not recall that the Liberals, under Jean Chretien, rejected the idea that unilateral seccession from Confederation is unlawful -- supported by the Supreme Court -- as well as the idea that a sovereign Quebec would also be partianable -- also supported by the Supreme Court.

Who supported these principles? Why, it was the Reform party, the precursor to one of the two parties that became the modern Conservative party! Who is it again, who's been the more effective party when acting on behalf of Canada?


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The Liberals just lost track of what was the right way to do it.


Let's face facts -- the Liberals have never been terribly interested in solving the unity issue between Quebec and the ROC. Using the Quebec sovereignty issue has almost always worked in their advantage. Unsurprisingly, when it was revealed how thoroughly they've bungled that portfolio, they lost power.

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The Conservative party did not like they way the Liberals were handling this affair and they requested an investigation and hearings followed and they labeled the Liberal party as dishonest and went to form the new minority government.


Actually, the auditor general's investigation was launched as a result of the whistle-blowing of Allan Cutler. Also, the Liberal party was dishonest. Much of the money being stolen from taxpayers through adscam was being funnelled back into Liberal party coffers (hard to argue that they did it to save the country when they were doing it largely to benefit themselves).

But don't let the facts get in your way here.


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In the meantime the Liberal party had a leadership race and elected a great new leader, they also cleaned house and they put together a dream team to tell all Canadians that they are ready to take charge and form the new government in Canada.


The Liberals cleaned house? Dion publicly mused that he would not object to Marc-Yvan Cote being allowed to resume his Liberal party membership. He was one of the party organizers involved in Adscam. Nothing's clean about this house. It's as dirty as ever.

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The Conservatives had their chance to make positive change and they bungled it and they are trying to get a majority.


The Conservatives have brought about numerous positive changes. The GST reduction was a good start. As was the Accountability Act -- which, by the way, the Liberal party fought tooth and nail to block. I wonder why?

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The Conservative government mistake is that they acted like a majority government but with only 33% of the vote. They also showed what it would be like to live under a majority Conservative government and a lot of Canadians do not like it.


And yet they continue to outdistance their opposition, at one point recently posting a 14-point lead in polling. Yep, that was a huge mistake. :roll:

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And their biggest mistake is that they never bothered to form a provincial Conservative party in Quebec.


Historically inaccurate assertion.

The Conservative party has never existed in Quebec since Maurice Duplessis transformed it into the Union Nationale. In previous years, the Action Democratique du Quebec, formed out of portions of the Unity party, under Mario Dumont, has become Quebec's Conservative party. Right now, it's on the verge of forming the Official Opposition in Quebec.


The people of Quebec will be voting for a former leader of the Progressive Conservative party who is the leader of the current Quebec Liberal party. Which means that most of the people in Quebec will vote Liberal in the next federal election.

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When the Liberals form the new government of Canada Harper can relax and help plan the Conservative leadership race.


That almost seems like a nice flourish of boosterism, but it has no basis in what the rest of us like to refer to as "reality".


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He's right, the liberals have the most to offer Canadians........it's too bad that most of us think the Liberals are full off shit.

Liberals = big government, big taxes, big promises that they never keep.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:52 am
 


The Conservatives have accomplished more in the last year than the liberals did in 13...


edit: And so far SCANDAL FREE!!!


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The Conservatives have accomplished more in the last year than the liberals did in 13...


edit: And so far SCANDAL FREE!!!


ROTFL...

The Cons. have done more for the military in the past 2 years then the Libs. in the past 15. The libs. were purchasing a replacement for the Buffalo and SAR Hercs. They even claimed that they had put the bid on the "Fast Track". Still no bird in sight, they haven't decided on one yet 8O... The Cons have purchase the C-17, last year and we will see the first bid this August. We have military personnel receiving training as we speak. The above short list is only for the Airforce. I'm skipping the Navy and Army. Dont' get me started on the MCDVs or pitiful vehicules the libs purchased. R=EM

As a military member.... I know were my vote is. R=UP


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What -Mario-? But Tibor54 said the CPC was endangering the troops in his other thread. :-)
Welcome to the forum, Tibor54.
Please do keep lobbing these softballs for us.


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Tibor54, post some anti-Tory crap then bugger off.
No rebuttal or debate.
Seems a bit suspicious.

Like that chap from the CBC who posted a few 'adverts' for shows then vanished.

I smell an election.....and dirty tricks posing as kosher posters. Be ready for these types from both sides of the political spectrum.


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